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I thought Baptists followed scripture

Mur

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But I learned here that they don't. They're like the Catholics in that they preach their own doctrines rather than what is clearly stated in the Bible. This has been an eye-opening experience and I will definitely NOT be joining the worldly, man-made, Baptist system. I'm sticking to the word of God.
 

Walter

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I learned here that they don't. They're like the Catholics in that they preach their own doctrines rather than what is clearly stated in the Bible. This has been an eye-opening experience and I will definitely NOT be joining the worldly, man-made, Baptist system. I'm sticking to the word of God.

OK, seriously, we are told by Scripture not to neglect gathering together. Any ideas of a church or fellowship of like minded Christians? There are plenty of liberal denominations that are universalist but don't believe in the essentials I believe you believe. What are your plans?
 

David Lamb

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But I learned here that they don't. They're like the Catholics in that they preach their own doctrines rather than what is clearly stated in the Bible. This has been an eye-opening experience and I will definitely NOT be joining the worldly, man-made, Baptist system. I'm sticking to the word of God.
I wonder what doctrines you are thinking of that Baptists in general believe, that you say do not come from the bible? Baptism of believers? Autonomy of the local church? Separation of church and state? Something else? And how do the doctrines you have in mind disagree with what is in the bible?
 

Charlie24

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But I learned here that they don't. They're like the Catholics in that they preach their own doctrines rather than what is clearly stated in the Bible. This has been an eye-opening experience and I will definitely NOT be joining the worldly, man-made, Baptist system. I'm sticking to the word of God.

It seems your main concern is Universalism, and in general the Baptists oppose this doctrine.

There are always a few sympathizers but the Baptists for the most part condemn Universalism as heresy.
 

Hutch

Member
But I learned here that they don't. They're like the Catholics in that they preach their own doctrines rather than what is clearly stated in the Bible. This has been an eye-opening experience and I will definitely NOT be joining the worldly, man-made, Baptist system. I'm sticking to the word of God.
That's quite a blanket statement. Maybe your exposure to Baptist has been limited. I pastored 3 Baptist churches over a 25 yr period and I preach only the Bible's doctrine (which I align with). My last pastorate was in Iowa and in a fellowship of close to 100 Baptist churches, to the best of my knowledge, and first-hand experience, I believe that preached only Bible doctrine.

Catholics do not claim their doctrine comes from the Bible because their popes are considered mouthpieces for God through divine revelation they claim to receive. I know there are some Baptist who twist Scripture to fit their personal position on certain preferences but to say ALL Baptist are guilty of doing that is wrong in my opinion.
 

atpollard

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That's quite a blanket statement. Maybe your exposure to Baptist has been limited.
It has a very simple explanation:

1. Mur believes that the Bible teaches UNIVERSALISM (everyone without exception will go to heaven).
2. The BAPTISTS that Mur encountered here rejected UNIVERSALISM (and presented verses that contradict it).
3. Therefore, Mur concludes that Baptists reject scripture.

[The truth is that these Baptists just reject heresy - teaching contrary to what Jesus said.]
 

th1bill

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But I learned here that they don't. They're like the Catholics in that they preach their own doctrines rather than what is clearly stated in the Bible. This has been an eye-opening experience and I will definitely NOT be joining the worldly, man-made, Baptist system. I'm sticking to the word of God.
Very good, I am a Christian that fellowships with people calling themselves Baptists.
 

JesusFan

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It has a very simple explanation:

1. Mur believes that the Bible teaches UNIVERSALISM (everyone without exception will go to heaven).
2. The BAPTISTS that Mur encountered here rejected UNIVERSALISM (and presented verses that contradict it).
3. Therefore, Mur concludes that Baptists reject scripture.

[The truth is that these Baptists just reject heresy - teaching contrary to what Jesus said.]
It is a very good sign that we on the Board have rejected as heresy that view
 

Walter

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That's quite a blanket statement. Maybe your exposure to Baptist has been limited. I pastored 3 Baptist churches over a 25 yr period and I preach only the Bible's doctrine (which I align with). My last pastorate was in Iowa and in a fellowship of close to 100 Baptist churches, to the best of my knowledge, and first-hand experience, I believe that preached only Bible doctrine.

Catholics do not claim their doctrine comes from the Bible because their popes are considered mouthpieces for God through divine revelation they claim to receive. I know there are some Baptist who twist Scripture to fit their personal position on certain preferences but to say ALL Baptist are guilty of doing that is wrong in my opinion.

Another Baptist pastor that gets it wrong about Catholics. Catholics DO claim their doctrines align with scripture and popes cannot change the dogma of the Church.
 

atpollard

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It is a very good sign that we on the Board have rejected as heresy that view
I am amused by the irony that someone can like the Baptist concept of “Individual Soul Liberty” (the right to your personal beliefs and the responsibility to answer to God rather than man) … because they hold out hope that their unorthodox beliefs will be accepted … only to attack those people for refusing to be converted to your point of view (thus denying others the Soul Liberty that was sought for yourself). The real question is … “Is there a CHURCH currently in need of a POPE?“ (we have a volunteer seeking the position). ;)
 
Protestants including Baptist follow the pope's decrees

Christmas became a formal part of the faith in the 4th century CE when the date of December 25 was chosen by Pope Julius to celebrate the birth of Jesus

The First Council of Nicaea (325) established easter observance for all Christians on the first Sunday after the first full moon on or after the vernal equinox.

YESHUA said to keep the Passover in Remembrance of Him, catholics and protestants keep a fake resurrection day that is not based on the Passover

The Mother of Harlots and her protesting daughters

Galatians 4

9​

But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

10​

Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

11​

I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Former pagans going back to keeping the days for the gods that they worshipped before coming to faith, saturnalia christmas, the day for Tammuz easter, and Because they were going back to these other gods, Paul was afraid that everything he taught them would now be for nothing.

Honoring God with lip service, but demonstrating that their hearts are far from Him. Most here will hear, I never knew you.;
 

Walter

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I am amused by the irony that someone can like the Baptist concept of “Individual Soul Liberty” (the right to your personal beliefs and the responsibility to answer to God rather than man) … because they hold out hope that their unorthodox beliefs will be accepted … only to attack those people for refusing to be converted to your point of view (thus denying others the Soul Liberty that was sought for yourself). The real question is … “Is there a CHURCH currently in need of a POPE?“ (we have a volunteer seeking the position). ;)

Would 'Soul Liberty' allow a member of your church to decide they no longer believe in the Divinity of Christ, His physical resurrection, His virgin birth and the Trinity and remain in good standing. Please don't tell me it wouldn't happen because I know of such a person. He attends a very liberal American Baptist church.

What seems to have been asserted here before is that Mur would be welcomed into fellowship at many Baptist churches at least with people praying he changes his heretical belief. Others have said he might not be welcomed into fellowship of their church based on such a belief.

What it seems like is that each Baptist church can decide what would take 'Soul Liberty' to the point of causing a person to not be welcomed as a member or candidate for baptism. Have I got it right?
 
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JonC

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But I learned here that they don't. They're like the Catholics in that they preach their own doctrines rather than what is clearly stated in the Bible. This has been an eye-opening experience and I will definitely NOT be joining the worldly, man-made, Baptist system. I'm sticking to the word of God.
Some Baptists follow Scripture but most today hold a lot of reformed RCC doctrine and a lot of theories mixed in with Scripture.

Most Baptists I have encountered here object when I use God's Word and do not accept what men have taught them the Bible "really" teaches.

As far as universal salvation, unfortunately this is not present in "what is written". On a previous thread you assumed that all things being united in Christ means that all will be saved. But this was at the cost of passages stating that all will not be saved. That should have led you to question exactly how will all things be unified in Christ, but it didn't.

My point is we all have understandings that we should not lean on. Have opinions. But trust in every word that comes from God.

Trust that Christ will reconcile all things unto Himself while als trusting that the wicked will perish, that they will be cast into the Lake of Fire prepared for Satan and his demons which is the Second Death.

Then work on conforming your understanding to God's words (your understanding to what you lean upon).
 

atpollard

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Former pagans going back to keeping the days for the gods that they worshipped before coming to faith, saturnalia christmas, the day for Tammuz easter, and Because they were going back to these other gods, Paul was afraid that everything he taught them would now be for nothing.
What do you call the Fifth day of the week?
 

Walter

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Site Supporter
Protestants including Baptist follow the pope's decrees

Christmas became a formal part of the faith in the 4th century CE when the date of December 25 was chosen by Pope Julius to celebrate the birth of Jesus

The First Council of Nicaea (325) established easter observance for all Christians on the first Sunday after the first full moon on or after the vernal equinox.

YESHUA said to keep the Passover in Remembrance of Him, catholics and protestants keep a fake resurrection day that is not based on the Passover

The Mother of Harlots and her protesting daughters

Galatians 4

9​

But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

10​

Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

11​

I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Former pagans going back to keeping the days for the gods that they worshipped before coming to faith, saturnalia christmas, the day for Tammuz easter, and Because they were going back to these other gods, Paul was afraid that everything he taught them would now be for nothing.

Honoring God with lip service, but demonstrating that their hearts are far from Him. Most here will hear, I never knew you.;

Gotta love the Lutherans who help debunk the kind of nonsense you post. Heres a good and funny one:
 

Salty

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But I learned here that they don't. They're like the Catholics in that they preach their own doctrines rather than what is clearly stated in the Bible. This has been an eye-opening experience and I will definitely NOT be joining the worldly, man-made, Baptist system. I'm sticking to the word of God.
Will you name three specific doctrines that Baptists preach that is not in the Bible?
 

th1bill

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Another Baptist pastor that gets it wrong about Catholics. Catholics DO claim their doctrines align with scripture and popes cannot change the dogma of the Church.
During my 80 year venture in this sanctifying process, I have known both parish members and Priests that confessed the Priest was often preaching from Devine Inspiration. We Christians in the Baptist Church Family admit that we follow the inspiration of the Holy Spirit but it must be in concise agreement with the Holy Scriptures.

No Devine Revelation to be added to the complete and Holy Bible.
 
Gotta love the Lutherans who help debunk the kind of nonsense you post. Heres a good and funny one:
You don't believe Jesus when He said to keep the Passover in Remembrance of Him, you would rather keep a day that has absolutely nothing to do with Passover.

FirstFruits - Resurrection Day is based on the day of the Passover

easter is a pagan holiday, the date thereof not based on Passover, your traditions have made void the Word of God


The times of Ignorance are over, You serve the Pope. No matter how much evidence is presented you will resist the Holy Spirit in order to justify keeping traditions introduced into the faith by the mother of harlots.
 
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