IF God ONLY has A Single Will, isn't he then Author Of Sin/death?

[JesusFan]

IF your are convinced that God has only a single Will, not 2 Wills in operation...

How do you get around the fact that makes God Author of Sin and death, when scriptures make it clear God cannot sin, or tempt others to sin?

And doesn;t that make Satan just a "puppet", almost a figure head to blame for problem of evel sin suffering death, when you would say God authors all that anyways?

 

[webdog]

IF your are convinced that God has only a single Will, not 2 Wills in operation...

How do you get around the fact that makes God Author of Sin and death, when scriptures make it clear God cannot sin, or tempt others to sin?

And doesn;t that make Satan just a "puppet", almost a figure head to blame for problem of evel sin suffering death, when you would say God authors all that anyways?

You nailed it :thumbs: Now...how does what you say square with your theology and predestination?

 

[savedbymercy]

Yes God is the Author of Sin. It exists according to His Eternal Purpose in Christ.

That does not mean God Himself sins, but He caused it to exist by means of His creation, His creatures that He made for His Purpose.

 

[webdog]

Yes God is the Author of Sin. It exists according to His Eternal Purpose in Christ.

That does not mean God Himself sins, but He caused it to exist by means of His creation, His creatures that He made for His Purpose.

You contradict yourself in your reply. If someone authors a book...who causes the words on the pages to exist?

 

[quantumfaith]

I do not agree that God "caused" sin to exist, rather I remain convinced that God designed the potentiality of sin in His creation. In my estimation, saying that God created (caused) sin in His creation in order to demonstrate His "hesedh" on some is simply incorrect and logic and reasoned necessity for some theological positions. As such it, at least in my mind, makes God to be much "smaller" and diminished in His sovereignty. BTW, I am also "save by mercy" God's hesedh.

 

[JesusFan]

You nailed it :thumbs: Now...how does what you say square with your theology and predestination?

View that there are SOME thing directly decreed/ordianed by God, they will come to pass directly by fact that He is causing it to happen in a determined fashion...

Second Coming will happen in Future, and NOTHING can be done to stop that event...

Other things are permiited by will of God, and he has them all worked in His predestined plans and purposes...

NOTHING happensd that He has not already foreknown as coming to pass, its just some things are knowm by him as H caused them. others known in sense allowed them and saw them happening!

 

[savedbymercy]

You contradict yourself in your reply. If someone authors a book...who causes the words on the pages to exist?

You must do not know what Author means. The word means according to the dictionary:


The writer of a book, article, or other text.

One who practices writing as a profession.

One who writes or constructs an electronic document or system, such as a website.

An originator or creator, as of a theory or plan.

Author God.

An Author does not have to be an Author of a book. It also means one who originated a Plan or Purpose.

Now sin, evil and etc are in existence because they originate from God's Eternal Purpose in Christ. I though I made that clear in my post ?

This is what I stated:

Yes God is the Author of Sin. It exists according to His Eternal Purpose in Christ.

 

[savedbymercy]

How do you get around the fact that makes God Author of Sin and death, when scriptures make it clear God cannot sin, or tempt others to sin?

I never said God sinned or tempted others to sin. I stated that God is the Author of sin, it has its existence in God's world because God purposed it.

God purposed that Adam would bring sin into the world for the redemptive purpose in Christ. Adam could not have done it if God did not purpose to make Adam. God's will to make Adam was His Perfect Decretive Will, was it not ?

And you cannot deny that it was God's Perfect decretive will that Adam sin, when God knew Adam would sin before He gave existence to Adam..

 

[JesusFan]

You must do not know what Author means. The word means according to the dictionary:


The writer of a book, article, or other text.

One who practices writing as a profession.

One who writes or constructs an electronic document or system, such as a website.

An originator or creator, as of a theory or plan.

Author God.

An Author does not have to be an Author of a book. It also means one who originated a Plan or Purpose.

Now sin, evil and etc are in existence because they originate from God's Eternal Purpose in Christ. I though I made that clear in my post ?

This is what I stated:

So He created evil. sin. death...

Wouldn't that disquailify Him from being God in the Biblical sense of term though?

 

[jbh28]

IF your are convinced that God has only a single Will, not 2 Wills in operation...

He doesn't. Yes, there is the "will" of God that he has ordained. There is also the "will" of God in regards to his desires. Obviously, God doesn't desire for people to sin, but people sin. God has allowed people to do this.

And no, God is not the author of sin. He has ordained that sin be done, but the author of the sin is not God.

 

[savedbymercy]

jf:

So He created evil. sin. death...

God's Eternal Purpose is the First Cause the Originator of evil, sin and death. Everything that exists does so by God's Perfect will.

 

[JesusFan]

He doesn't. Yes, there is the "will" of God that he has ordained. There is also the "will" of God in regards to his desires. Obviously, God doesn't desire for people to sin, but people sin. God has allowed people to do this.

And no, God is not the author of sin. He has ordained that sin be done, but the author of the sin is not God.

but does He than do His decrees in either a Supra or ifra fashion, IYHO?

And what you replied seems to indicate that God does have 2 wills?

what he "wants" to happen all times, and what "does" happen sometimes?

 

[webdog]

You must do not know what Author means. The word means according to the dictionary:


The writer of a book, article, or other text.

One who practices writing as a profession.

One who writes or constructs an electronic document or system, such as a website.

An originator or creator, as of a theory or plan.

Author God.

An Author does not have to be an Author of a book. It also means one who originated a Plan or Purpose.

Now sin, evil and etc are in existence because they originate from God's Eternal Purpose in Christ. I though I made that clear in my post ?

This is what I stated:

I simply gave an analogy...I know what author means. There are only a handful of those here on the BB that believe God is the author of sin. There are two calvinists on this very thread that disagree with your understanding of God being the author of sin.

 

[Winman]

If man does not have free will (to do either good or evil), then God is the cause of evil. If men are unregenerate by God's will and enslaved in sin by God's will, then the man is not to be faulted, for he is only doing what he can do. In fact, the sinner is actually fulfilling God's will and cannot be faulted.

The fact that we blame someone for doing evil shows that man intuitively knows we possess free will. We do not blame someone for what he has no control over, the color of his hair or eyes, whether he is tall or short, etc...

But we do blame persons when they commit a crime. Why? Because we all know that a man does not do evil by necessity, but choice.

God gave man free choice. This freedom enables a man to love God, or to rebel and hate God. Because a man can choose either good or bad, he can justly be blamed when he chooses to do evil.

Non- Cals are often accused of being man-centered, but the thrust of Arminian and non-Cal theology is not to glorify self, but to defend God against being unjustly blamed as the cause of sin. As this thread demonstrates, in Calvinistic and Reformed theology God is ultimately the cause of sin. This is not so in non-Cal theology.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

IF your are convinced that God has only a single Will, not 2 Wills in operation...

How do you get around the fact that makes God Author of Sin and death, when scriptures make it clear God cannot sin, or tempt others to sin?

And doesn;t that make Satan just a "puppet", almost a figure head to blame for problem of evel sin suffering death, when you would say God authors all that anyways?

Please post the Scriptural references.....I will begin for you:

James 1:13-14 (New International Version)

13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed.

 

[savedbymercy]

web:

I simply gave an analogy

And it was off point.

 

[webdog]

web:



And it was off point.

Not sure how. Maybe you just missed it.

 

[JesusFan]

Please post the Scriptural references.....I will begin for you:

James 1:13-14 (New International Version)

13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed.

thanks!
makes it pretty clear, at least to me, that God does NOT author /determinied Sin, but that he did allow it for His greater purposes and plan to be worked out!