alexander284
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If we go to heaven when we die, what's the point of the resurrection?
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Scripture More Accurately
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Because the future resurrection is a physical resurrection of the body; it is the body that dies--not the spirit/soul:
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
The immaterial part of man never dies and goes to heaven immediately upon death if the person was a true believer. Jesus was raised bodily in a glorified body and so will we be raised in glorified, physical bodies.
In the second death, all the sinful dead will be cast body, soul, and spirit into the lake of fire:
Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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For that matter, what's the point of Christ's return?
Because if there was no Resurrection - we would not be going to Heaven!
and Many Will NOT be going to Heaven if they are not saved.
37818
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To live on the New Earth, Revelation 21. (To forever restore what was lost, Genesis 3:23-24) But more, see 1 Corinthians 2:9.
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37818
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Both the soul and current body are mortal. Matthew 10:28, Ezekiel 18:4.
timtofly
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The resurrection is your soul entering that permanent incorruptible physical body as it arrives in Paradise. Since the Cross, no one has tasted death, were the soul is in Abraham's bosom in sheol. Paul says in 2 Corinthians 5:1, resurrection is immediate at physical death, so death itself is never experienced.
Paul said, "we shall not all sleep, we shall all be changed."
Ever wonder why so many ambiguous terms are used to describe what is expected to occur when a born anew believer physically dies?
1) To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Thus our "soul/spirit" goes to the third heaven, Hebrews 12:23.
2) We wait for the Second Coming of Christ.
3) We will then be part of the "First Resurrection," glorified body and soul/spirit united, and rule with Christ on earth for 1000 years.
1) To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Thus our "soul/spirit" goes to the third heaven, Hebrews 12:23.
2) We wait for the Second Coming of Christ.
3) We will then be part of the "First Resurrection," glorified body and soul/spirit united, and rule with Christ on earth for 1000 years.
timtofly
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To finish the task started at the first coming. You certainly do not think all prophecy has been sealed up and fulfilled per Daniel 9:24? Messiah was cut off. Still the Prince to come.
timtofly
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The soul is not physical. How can the soul be killed? Destroyed gives a connotation of not being useful. Why not say killed in fire, instead of destroyed?
A dead soul does not have a useful physical body, nor a useful spirit. If you have neither body and spirit, what is left if you do not even have a soul either? The soul is you without a body or spirit.
SavedByGrace
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where does the Bible says this?
Jesus says that after death, the saved go to "Paradise"
"And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise" Luke 23:43
and, "And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom" (Luke 16:22-23)
Go to 1 Corinthians 15 the Resurrection chapter for that answer... Brother Glen
1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
My question was rhetorical. When we step into eternity, we may see that we had been seated with Him the whole time.Go to 1 Corinthians 15 the Resurrection chapter for that answer... Brother Glen
1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Like I said, my question was rhetorical. Yes, all prophecy is fulfilled. All the elect have yet to be called. As in the days of Noah, when the last of the elect have entered the Ark, the Door will be shut, and destruction will come.
because the Lord himself, in a shout, in the voice of a chief-messenger, and in the trump of God, shall come down from heaven, and the dead in Christ shall rise first, then we who are living, who are remaining over, together with them shall be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in air, and so always with the Lord we shall be; 1 Thes 4:16,17
and so always with the Lord we shall be ----- When?
18 so, then, comfort ye one another in these words.
Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ. And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few. But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people. And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also; Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, one Jesus (the Jesus above and the Christ above). And they troubled the people and the rulers of the city, when they heard these things. And when they had taken security of Jason, and of the other, they let them go. Acts 17:1-9
Acts 20:25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.
Three weeks Paul was at Thessalonica, what did he preach to them about the man Jesus. The man Jesus suffered unto death was raised from the dead and was now king of the kingdom of God.
Relative to what we have above what were the following concerned about relative to their friends in Christ who had died.
How are our dead friends going to be in the kingdom of God?
And I do not wish you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, that ye may not sorrow, as also the rest who have not hope, for if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, so also (by resurrection out of the dead) God those asleep through Jesus he will bring with him,
Then he tells them when and how the living at that time will join them; in a moment in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump; we shall all be changed and be always with the Lord.
and so always with the Lord we shall be ----- When?
18 so, then, comfort ye one another in these words.
Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ. And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few. But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people. And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also; Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, one Jesus (the Jesus above and the Christ above). And they troubled the people and the rulers of the city, when they heard these things. And when they had taken security of Jason, and of the other, they let them go. Acts 17:1-9
Acts 20:25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.
Three weeks Paul was at Thessalonica, what did he preach to them about the man Jesus. The man Jesus suffered unto death was raised from the dead and was now king of the kingdom of God.
Relative to what we have above what were the following concerned about relative to their friends in Christ who had died.
How are our dead friends going to be in the kingdom of God?
And I do not wish you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, that ye may not sorrow, as also the rest who have not hope, for if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, so also (by resurrection out of the dead) God those asleep through Jesus he will bring with him,
Then he tells them when and how the living at that time will join them; in a moment in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump; we shall all be changed and be always with the Lord.
timtofly
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There is still sin and wickedness, so no, all prophecy is not fulfilled.
All prophecy concerning the First Coming of the Messiah has been fulfilled. Not all those who will be a member of "the Elect" have been individually chosen. Individuals are chosen through or on the basis of God crediting their faith as righteousness, Romans 4:4-5, and Romans 4:23-24. That is why we can "hasten the day" through effective evangelism.
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