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In Perils Among False Brethren;

Zaatar71

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2 Corinthians 11:26
In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;

Paul lists many dangers he faced, many enemies. Have you ever come across these former Christians, who post videos on why The have deconstructed the faith?
Or even worse, those who claim to be former Calvinists who have drifted off from the truth?
You can mark it down, it is going to be a non stop attack from the enemy of the Cross!

Have you experienced this?
 

Charlie24

Well-Known Member
2 Corinthians 11:26
In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;

Paul lists many dangers he faced, many enemies. Have you ever come across these former Christians, who post videos on why The have deconstructed the faith?
Or even worse, those who claim to be former Calvinists who have drifted off from the truth?
You can mark it down, it is going to be a non stop attack from the enemy of the Cross!

Have you experienced this?

I hope you don't think that because I disagree with Calvinism I'm an enemy of the Cross.

It's not a particular doctrine that saves, faith in the finished work of Christ saves the soul from the wrath to come.
 

Zaatar71

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I hope you don't think that because I disagree with Calvinism I'm an enemy of the Cross.

It's not a particular doctrine that saves, faith in the finished work of Christ saves the soul from the wrath to come.
No... you have never studied it enough so far...I am speaking about people who say...I used to be a Calvinist, or I used to be a Christian.
2 tim4:
2 Timothy 4:10
For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.
 

Silverhair

Well-Known Member
No... you have never studied it enough so far...I am speaking about people who say...I used to be a Calvinist, or I used to be a Christian.
2 tim4:
2 Timothy 4:10
For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.

So are you suggesting that only calvinists can be saved?

Only two views of Calvinism
"If Calvinism is an error:
The reason most Christians reject it is because they have good discernment.
If Calvinism is true:
The ultimate reason most resist it is because God sovereignly and unchangeably decreed their resistance for His own glory.

The idea that God unchangeably predestines His own children to reject His own truth for His own glory is so intuitively false that we don’t need to refute it.
We just need to make sure that everyone understands that’s what Calvinism entails so they know to reject it."

So someone leaving calvinism is not an indication they have lost faith but rather that they have found calvinism to be a false teaching of God's word.
 

Zaatar71

Well-Known Member
So are you suggesting that only calvinists can be saved?

Only two views of Calvinism
"If Calvinism is an error:
The reason most Christians reject it is because they have good discernment
That would be true, If Calvinism was wrong.
If Calvinism is true:
The ultimate reason most resist it is because God sovereignly and unchangeably decreed their resistance for His own glory.
No wrong... God would have decreed to leave them dead in Adam, which leads to the resistance of the natural man.
The idea that God unchangeably predestines His own children to reject His own truth
Not all men are children of God. people have to be adopted and granted new birth to be God's children.
for His own glory is so intuitively false that we don’t need to refute it.
you need to study adoption
We just need to make sure that everyone understands that’s what Calvinism entails so they know to reject it."
Yes, if people want to reject truth . it is on them. We just are to be faithful to truth.
So someone leaving calvinism is not an indication they have lost faith but rather that they have found calvinism to be a false teaching of God's word.
It would be an indication they never grasped it to begin with. many religious people try many things.Like the false teachers and false proffesors in the 1st century 1jn2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
 

Silverhair

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That would be true, If Calvinism was wrong.

No wrong... God would have decreed to leave them dead in Adam, which leads to the resistance of the natural man.

Not all men are children of God. people have to be adopted and granted new birth to be God's children.

you need to study adoption

Yes, if people want to reject truth . it is on them. We just are to be faithful to truth.

It would be an indication they never grasped it to begin with. many religious people try many things.Like the false teachers and false proffesors in the 1st century 1jn2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Z all you do is parrot the teachings of other calvinists. Have you ever taken the time to look at the foundations of your religion? I doubt that you have.

Calvinism is not the gospel Z. That is your first mistake.

I have tried to point you back to the truth as found in the word of God but you keep rejecting His truth as it does not fit with your man-made religion.
 
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