Inherent contradictions in the Baptist 'distinctives'

[D28guy]

"Number 1 in Linda's above thread is not a Baptist distinctive. (And I have read the explaination). Been in the Baptist church for 47 years and never have we exclude half of the Scripture. We are people of the "whole counsil of God"."

I dont think she is excluding any of Gods scriptures. When I read her post that thought never entered my mind.

I took as her saying simply that they interpret the old covenant scriptures in light of the new covenant scriptures. (which is the proper thing to do btw)

Not that they disregard the old testament scriptures.

Could be wrong though, I dont know for sure. But she seems to be posting as a Baptist, and I've never known any Baptists who throw away the old covenant scriptures.

Grace and peace,

Mike

 

[Charles Meadows]

I would agree that if we hold the Bible as authoritative and if we are ALL equal before God (no priests) then a believer should not be admonished for interpreting scripture differently than the baptist norms as long as he/she does so with appropriate respect for the scriptures as God's word. If his/her interpretation is widely different then he/she may choose another denomination however.

 

[OldRegular]

I could call myself Prince Charles but that would not make it so. Thank God!

 

[Matt Black]

Linda, that list from which you quoted has rekindled my concern; it appears to at the very least imply the exclusion of the OT as authoritative

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Originally posted by Bro Tony:
Number 1 in Linda's above thread is not a Baptist distinctive. (And I have read the explaination). Been in the Baptist church for 47 years and never have we exclude half of the Scripture. We are people of the "whole counsil of God".

Bro Tony

I agree totally - never seen a Bapstist that thinks only the NT is authoritative before. Thats a new one on me.

 

[BobRyan]

quote:
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1. WE ACCEPT ONLY THE NEW TESTAMENT AS OUR AUTHORITY IN ALL MATTERS OF FAITH AND PRACTICE.

This means that we do not accept any authority except the New Testament Scriptures
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Db28guy

I dont think she is excluding any of Gods scriptures. When I read her post that thought never entered my mind.

I find that hard to "conclude" based on the clear statement she makes above.

 

[Jim1999]

I think you blokes are being too hard on what Linda posted. On reading the entire statement, the Old Testament is not ignored.

Plus IF you read my post, you will see that the British Baptist Union, and including the great Baptist, Charles Haddon Spurgeon, stated something quite similar. I think her groups' statement is poorly written at the outset, but on the whole, it is not incorrect according to historical baptists position on scripture.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Alexander]

Matt,

I think there is an unwritten, unspoken but widely believed Baptist distinctive that you failed to mention:

If everyone does the '5 distinctives' honestly and with the 'right' spirit, then everyone will be a Baptist.

If you apply the '5 distinctives' and end up believing in baptismal regeneration and the Real Presence of our Lord in the Eucharist, then you didn't do one or more of the 'distinctives' right!



Alexander

 

[Matt Black]

Agreed. That was the point of my OP.

 

[hillclimber]

Well I think the Baptist historical position on scripture is flawed. I see the 4 gospels as the ending of the old testament, with the prophetic arrival of the Messiah on planet earth. Then in Acts of the Apostles we see whole new plan for man, one that includes every person, regardless of race, ethnicity, etc., in one body (the victorious risen Christs) with absolutely no reason to be Baptised of man at all.

 

[Michael52]

Originally posted by hillclimber:
Well I think the Baptist historical position on scripture is flawed. I see the 4 gospels as the ending of the old testament, with the prophetic arrival of the Messiah on planet earth. Then in Acts of the Apostles we see whole new plan for man, one that includes every person, regardless of race, ethnicity, etc., in one body (the victorious risen Christs) with absolutely no reason to be Baptised of man at all.

Didn't the Messiah leave explicit instructions for his disciples (including us) to follow?

Mt 28:18 And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Mt 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mt 28:20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age." [ESV] (bold added)

Of course, the ultimate baptism comes from the Lord Himself, but the commission to carry out the Lord's commands is with us still, as He is, "to the end of the age."

 

[Matt Black]

Originally posted by hillclimber:
Well I think the Baptist historical position on scripture is flawed. I see the 4 gospels as the ending of the old testament, with the prophetic arrival of the Messiah on planet earth. Then in Acts of the Apostles we see whole new plan for man, one that includes every person, regardless of race, ethnicity, etc., in one body (the victorious risen Christs) with absolutely no reason to be Baptised of man at all.

Riiiight...so where exactly do you get this particular nugget of theological wisdom from?

 

[hillclimber]

Originally posted by Matt Black:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by hillclimber:
Well I think the Baptist historical position on scripture is flawed. I see the 4 gospels as the ending of the old testament, with the prophetic arrival of the Messiah on planet earth. Then in Acts of the Apostles we see whole new plan for man, one that includes every person, regardless of race, ethnicity, etc., in one body (the victorious risen Christs) with absolutely no reason to be Baptised of man at all.

Riiiight...so where exactly do you get this particular nugget of theological wisdom from? </font>[/QUOTE]Why the Bible of course.

 

[Matt Black]

Specifically...?

 

[Bro. James]

Some observations from a Sovereign Grace Landmark Missionary Baptist regarding Bible:

God wrote only one Bible: from Genesis through Revelation with 64 books in between.

Jesus is in every book. They all tie together with one continuous theme: Jesus Christ and Him crucified. When all the critics of higher texts have come and gone, the Lamb of God is still slain from before the foundation of the world--when the names of the redeemed were written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

Selah,

Bro. James

 

[hillclimber]

Originally posted by Michael52:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by hillclimber:
Well I think the Baptist historical position on scripture is flawed. I see the 4 gospels as the ending of the old testament, with the prophetic arrival of the Messiah on planet earth. Then in Acts of the Apostles we see whole new plan for man, one that includes every person, regardless of race, ethnicity, etc., in one body (the victorious risen Christs) with absolutely no reason to be Baptised of man at all.

Didn't the Messiah leave explicit instructions for his disciples (including us) to follow?

Mt 28:18 And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Mt 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mt 28:20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age." [ESV] (bold added)

Of course, the ultimate baptism comes from the Lord Himself, but the commission to carry out the Lord's commands is with us still, as He is, "to the end of the age." </font>[/QUOTE]And these signs should follow them that believe,
Mark 16;17,18,19. Do you know any Baptists that have these signs following their Baptisms? No you don't because the Body of Christ today is not under the dispensation of the Messianic Kingdom.

All the old testament and the four gospels were written specifically to the Lost Sheep of the house of Israel. Not to the gentiles or any other race. God was dealing with Israel only and there are many passages that confirm that we (gentiles) were far off, and salvation for Gentiles was only as a proselitized Jew. Today all believers are part of one Body, that is Christ's body.

 

[Michael52]

Read slowly and carefully

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations

There is a bit of a distinction between "the Lost Sheep of the house of Israel" and "all nations", no?