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Featured Insincere gospel offer Part 2

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by canadyjd, Mar 2, 2021.

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  1. canadyjd

    canadyjd Well-Known Member

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    In another thread about to be closed, opponents of the reformed position say the offer of salvation is insincere because the person is unable to respond in faith, having not been chosen by God.

    These same folks acknowledge that God knows who will believe and who will reject the gospel.

    The question is... Is the person able to respond differently than what God has already foreseen?

    The answer is clearly “no”.

    So, if the person is unable to respond to the gospel in faith in both cases, (whether not being chosen by God or God already knowing they will reject the gospel) doesn’t that make the offer of salvation insincere in both cases?

    The question is narrow. Is the offer insincere in both cases? Can it be sincere in one case but insincere in the other? Why or why not?

    No need to post volumes of positions already well known by everyone.

    peace to you
     
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    IF the Will of God was that all lost sinners come to Jesus in order to get saved, and since he knows what all lost sinners will decide, if He lives it up to "free will", none would ever get saved, so death of Jesus for naught!
     
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    spoken as a true "reformed" guy, but a FALSE theology!
     
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    here is a question for you and those who share your theology. If God knew that Eve and Adam would disobey Him, and bring about the downfall of the human race, then why did He sill create man? Not only this, but, not much later, man again "fell" big time, after God has destroyed the world when He saved Noah and his family? Does any of this make any sense to you? did God fail twice?
     
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    How so? Is God limited and hindered to save any, due to our free will overpowering His own will?
     
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    Start another thread if you want to talk about that.

    Will you answer the question? How can the offer of salvation be sincere if God already knows the person will reject it? By the same logic you use to condemn the reformed offer as insincere, you must condemn this offer as insincere as well, right?

    peace to you
     
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    I might also add, God knew from all eternity, that when He created the Angel Lucifer, that one day he would rebel against Him, and become His adversary, and be the cause of the fall of the human race, and wickedness and evil in His world. And YET, knowing this, God still created this "angel", and has left him these many thousands of years! Waht do you make of this?

    So, God has also made provision for the Gospel to be preached to the whole human race, but to save only those who accept this Gospel and repent and believe. Knowing that the greater majority will end up in hell!
     
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    Please stick to the topic. We aren’t talking about free-will.

    The question is whether, in these two cases, the offer is sincere or insincere. How can one offer be sincere and the other insincere since in both cases the person is unable to respond in faith?

    peace to you
     
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    Did God do anything wrong bu choosing to do what he did in the creation and the fall?
     
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    Are you stating here that God is to blame for Lucifer and the fall then?
     
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    I still wait with much patience, for just one of you reformed guys to honestly respond to the fact that Judas not only shared in the body and blood of Jesus Christ, but was clearly told, that Jesus was going to die for his sins. This passage alone does much damage to the "reformed" teachings!
     
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    God and wrong do NOT got together! Always keep in mind the end of Genesis 18:25!
     
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    You claim the reformed position is an insincere offer of salvation. If God already knows who will believe and who will reject, doesn’t that make the offer of salvation insincere to those God knows will reject the gospel.

    Doesn’t that make your position and the reform position the same concerning the issue of a sincere offer of salvation?

    peace to you
     
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    IF God knew that none can choose to receive Jesus as Lord apart from His grace, would that version make Him out to be a real monster?
     
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    You should not start these threads. It is clear that these deeper doctrines elude your understanding! If you cannot see the connection between what I have written, and your response here, then I cannot help you. Maybe someone who shares your theology will explain this to you
     
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    Please stick to the question of the op.

    peace to you
     
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    again, with due respect, you don't know what you are on about, as it makes zero sense! You keep banging on about this, but it is out of your depth!
     
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    all this links togather, all about salvation!
     
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    You should answer the question if you are able. Please try to be direct, making it easier for me to understand.

    peace to you
     
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    Really? I wonder if you Americans really do understand the English language? :rolleyes:
     
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