Interview with Ukrainian Pastor in Canada

[George Antonios]

Pastor Vitaly Shelemba was born and raised in the Ukraine, and had returned to Canada from a visit there days before the invasion.
There are some insights here that may be enlightening, such as the fact that Eastern nominal Christians view Evangelicals as expressions of Western culture.
The pastors and churches there need prayer and help.

 

[AustinC]

My wife's great grandfather fled Ukraine in the late 1800s when the Czar tried to conscript Mennonites, Baptists and other Anabaptists into his army. The Baptist church I attend is a North American Baptist church that was formed by German Baptists fleeing Ukraine at the same time as the Mennonites. There is a long history of Russian aggression and oppression of Ukrainians.
A few years back there was a rift in the Orthodox world when Ukraine Orthodoxy broke with Russian Orthodoxy. There is a strong hatred by the Orthodox against any Reform minded church. Since separation of church and state is still frowned on by the Orthodox church, they tend to shun and persecute other Christian denominations.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

And we have some members cheering on Putin's support of a state church, the ROC.

 

[AustinC]

And we have some members cheering on Putin's support of a state church, the ROC.

I chalk that up to ignorance.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

I chalk that up to ignorance.

I don't think, they wouldn't be taking the same stance if the denomination involved was the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[AustinC]

I don't think, they wouldn't be taking the same stance if the denomination involved was the Roman Catholic Church.

It's hard to say. I think they hate Joe Biden so much that they would cheer on anything that would bring down Joe Biden and the Democrats...even a tyrant like Putin. It's irrational to me.

 

[Reynolds]

I don't think, they wouldn't be taking the same stance if the denomination involved was the Roman Catholic Church.

I would. I am looking at the long game. Russia supports A church. The west has become hostile to a Christianity. At least Putin knows LBGTQ is abomination and he does not tolerate it. Ole Joe praises it. The Ukraine is riddled with corruption.

 

[Reynolds]

It's hard to say. I think they hate Joe Biden so much that they would cheer on anything that would bring down Joe Biden and the Democrats...even a tyrant like Putin. It's irrational to me.

It's irrational to me that you don't see the Democrats as the Clear and Present danger that they are.

 

[Wingman68]

I would. I am looking at the long game. Russia supports A church. The west has become hostile to a Christianity. At least Putin knows LBGTQ is abomination and he does not tolerate it. Ole Joe praises it. The Ukraine is riddled with corruption.

He praises abortion as well, just made a big point of it in SOTU, right up to the time of birth. What’s next, leave any live birth baby to die that the mother deems aborted? Oh wait, they’ve already gone there. Evil. Joe says it’s good, is he pandering votes? Or just evil? It’s one or the other. The lefties here hate when the abortion issue is raised. Ignore, if possible, or claim they don’t support it but they still support opposing views of those on their ‘side’. They are comically pathetic.

 

[AustinC]

He praises abortion as well, just made a big point of it in SOTU, right up to the time of birth. What’s next, leave any live birth baby to die that the mother deems aborted? Oh wait, they’ve already gone there. Evil. Joe says it’s good, is he pandering votes? Or just evil? It’s one or the other. The lefties here hate when the abortion issue is raised. Ignore, if possible, or claim they don’t support it but they still support opposing views of those on their ‘side’. They are comically pathetic.

I hated what Biden supported, regarding abortion. I am unsure what "lefty" resides here at the Baptist board.
I also hated Donald Trump's evil treatment of anyone else who opposed him in any way. His vindictive spirit destroys people's lives, yet you don't care at all. Hypocrisy is that action where you judge one person, but ignore the crimes of the other.

 

[FollowTheWay]

He praises abortion as well, just made a big point of it in SOTU, right up to the time of birth. What’s next, leave any live birth baby to die that the mother deems aborted? Oh wait, they’ve already gone there. Evil. Joe says it’s good, is he pandering votes? Or just evil? It’s one or the other. The lefties here hate when the abortion issue is raised. Ignore, if possible, or claim they don’t support it but they still support opposing views of those on their ‘side’. They are comically pathetic.

The number of abortions has been going down steadily since Roe vs. Wade. Why? because of more sex education, availability of contraceptives and better medical care. You want to do away with the things that are driving down abortions for political gain.

 

[canadyjd]

The number of abortions has been going down steadily since Roe vs. Wade. Why? because of more sex education, availability of contraceptives and better medical care. You want to do away with the things that are driving down abortions for political gain.

I suspect the “morning after pill” abortions aren’t counted.

peace to you

 

[777]

^ actually, it probably has more to do with aging of the population in the West. Ukraine's abortion rate is roughly half of Russia's sky-high rate.

It's irrational to me that you don't see the Democrats as the Clear and Present danger that they are.

oh, ignored member - It's hard to say. I think they hate Joe Biden so much that they would cheer on anything that would bring down Joe Biden and the Democrats...even a tyrant like Putin. It's irrational to me.

well, well, well, jumping off topic, this time to defend Biden, who has nothing to do with this thread. Those mean old irrational Republicans, always derailing any thread to bash Biden, CNN, and the Portland riots, right? Worshiping an antichrist, being hypocrites, supporting tyrants, the works.

Mask is off.

 

[FollowTheWay]

I suspect the “morning after pill” abortions aren’t counted.

peace to you

You can guess whatever you want. Support?

 

[canadyjd]

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You can guess whatever you want. Support?

Support for what? That morning after pills aren’t counted as abortion? That morning after pills prevent fertilized eggs from implanting in the womb?

Such info is impossible to quantify.

I guess we could only look at total usage and guess at the percentage, which was my point.

Abortions, as counted at clinics is down in the US. How many babies were aborted without going to the clinic?

peace to you

 

[FollowTheWay]

Support for what? That morning after pills aren’t counted as abortion? That morning after pills prevent fertilized eggs from implanting in the womb?

Such info is impossible to quantify.

I guess we could only look at total usage and guess at the percentage, which was my point.

Abortions, as counted at clinics is down in the US. How many babies were aborted without going to the clinic?

peace to you

Then you wouldn't using count a morning-after pill as an abortion, too. Right? There never was even a fetus.

 

[canadyjd]

Then you wouldn't using count a morning-after pill as an abortion, too. Right? There never was even a fetus.

I believe human life begins at conception, before the fertilized egg implants in the womb.

If you kill the baby by preventing it from implanting in the womb, or shortly thereafter, that is abortion.

peace to you

 

[FollowTheWay]

I believe human life begins at conception, before the fertilized egg implants in the womb.

If you kill the baby by preventing it from implanting in the womb, or shortly thereafter, that is abortion.

peace to you

Are you also opposed to contraception?

 

[canadyjd]

Are you also opposed to contraception?

I’m opposed to abortion.

Contraception takes many forms which probably shouldn’t be discussed in the open forums.

Maybe start a thread in the men’s private forum.

peace to you

 

[FollowTheWay]

I’m opposed to abortion.

Contraception takes many forms which probably shouldn’t be discussed in the open forums.

Maybe start a thread in the men’s private forum.

peace to you

Contraception is the key to reducing abortions not charging women with a crime for having one.