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  1. Robert William

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    Many national church meetings have declared Arminianism as heresy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synod_of_Dort

    Why is it that today most Christians or so called Christians comfortable with Arminianism??

    The Synod concluded with a rejection of the Arminian views, and set forth the Reformed doctrine on each point, namely: total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement (arguing that Christ's atoning work was intended only for the elect and not for the rest of the world), irresistible (or irrevocable) grace, and the perseverance of the saints. These are sometimes referred to as the Five points of Calvinism. The Decision of the Synod of Dort on the Five Main Points of Doctrine in Dispute in the Netherlands, popularly known as the Canons of Dort, is the explanation of the judicial decision of the Synod.[12] In the original preface, the Decision is called:

    The Synod condemned the religious doctrine of Arminianism as heresy. There followed the political condemnation of the statesman Johan van Oldenbarnevelt who had been the protector of the Remonstrants. For the crime of general perturbation in the state of the nation, both in Church and State (treason), he was beheaded on 13 May 1619, only four days after the final meeting of the Synod. As consequence of the Arminian defeat the jurist Hugo Grotius was given a life sentence in prison; but he escaped with the help of his wife. Both Van Oldenbarnevelt and Grotius had in fact been imprisoned since 29 August 1618.
     
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    The Jewish council condemned Paul and Christ as heretics.

    The Catholic councils condemned protestants as heretics.

    it is about time a few more protestants woke up to the fact that name-calling is worthless.

    The Bible is an Arminian text "God so loved the WORLD - yes really" John 3:16.

    Christ is the "Atoning sacrifice for OUR sins and not for OUR sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD" 1John 2:2.

    The heresy we find in Calvinism (sorry about that but I wanted to throw the all-name-calling-crowd a bone on this one) - is that God becomes the Saboteur of his own gospel and the cause of his own lament.

    Sorry folks - but Calvinism is just plain wrong - especially in its 4 and 5 point form.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    This is where a number of Calvinists will simply "leave the building" ...

    Irrefutable.
     
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    Don't miss it.

    [FONT=&quot]“He CAME to HIS OWN and [/FONT][FONT=&quot]His OWN received Him not[/FONT][FONT=&quot]” John 1[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]Matt 23[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]37“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]38“Behold, your house is being left to you desolate![/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]Luke 7[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]28 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]When all the people and the tax collectors heard this, they acknowledged God’s justice, having been baptized with the baptism of John. [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]29 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected God’s purpose for themselves, not having been baptized by John.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]
    [/FONT]    [FONT=&quot]Is 5:4[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
    What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
    [/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]Response: [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot] Well the Calvinist would have an answer for God on that one. An answer contrived via “extreme inference” in places like Deut 5:29. Calvinism would inform the world – and God Himself of just what God did to cause the lamentable result that God is complaining about. If the result is wrong then Calvinism argues He did wrong - sabotaging His own plans or at the very least - being forgetful to "do the necessary" as the saying goes in India.[/FONT]
     
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    Is Arminianism heresy?

    Arminianism is Roman Catholicism reinvented in Protestantism. To be correct, your question should be, Is Roman Catholicism heresy?

    Now tell me your answer.


     
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    <<<This is where a number of Calvinists will simply "leave the building" ...>>>

    Of course! For sure they will. You blame them?!
     
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    What a relief; this is a fight I can just sit back and enjoy. Yes in fact a WAR I can revel in at the defeat of the enemies of the LORD SABAOTH, for the LORD has many mighty men in the front-line. It's like watching a movie of ancient battles fought and won by the noble heroes. Old but ever-new.

     
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    I have asked you questions, Bob Ryan, demanding brave answers. But you chose to divert attention with little Don Quixote windmill charges.

     
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    you asked "me" a question??
     
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    Lol...interestingly enough this is kinda true.
     
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    The inference of those that are non-Cal are Arminian is dishonest.
    I don't know of anyone on this board that is an Arminian. If you do, please tell me.
    Perhaps you should give your own concise definition instead of providing a link.
     
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    Oh, please. Why are you so anxious to bolster calvinism rather than embrace Christians? Do you not accept soul liberty?
     
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    How exciting!... Would someone please pass the popcorn!... Brother Glen
     
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    Said the Calvinist who gets his Penal Substitutionary Atonement Theory via the Roman Catholic Anselm's Satisfaction Theory. :rolleyes:
     
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    I am Arminian. :wavey:
     
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    I wonder if Calvinists have an answer for this.


     
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    It's easy to <define> oneself out of the hot water. SDAs do that.

    You're either a free grace believer or a free will believer. There is no in between.

     
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    <<<“He CAME to HIS OWN and His OWN received Him not” John 1>>>

    Bob Ryan, If you were there or I were there, you nor I would receive Him. Because "THEY" received Him not, But you, Bob Ryan and I GE, KILLED Him.

    True or false?
     
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    <<<Matt 23
    37“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
    38“Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!>>>

    AT THIS very event where Bob Ryan and GE crucified and killed our visiting Creator and Redeemer, AT THIS VERY EVENT ---it is written--- "Thy people shall be willing IN THE DAY OF _THY_ POWER". You could please read the whole Psalm 110.

    "If the LORD will ... we shall do this or that." James 4:15.

    "If thou seek Him, HE, WILL, be found of thee ... FOR THE LORD HATH CHOSEN THEE to build an house for His sanctuary : BE STRONG AND DO IT"
     
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    We shall read the same Scripture and read what WE want to read or what GOD, actually, “WILL”.

    (No, don't add an 's'!)
     
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