This IMHO is an interesting question. I do not have an opinion yet ... as I need to do more research. However, he should not be surprised if his beliefs are going to be examined closely as he speaks of them often.
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Is Rick Perry as Christian as He Thinks He Is?
- Thread starter Crabtownboy
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Just a quick thought -
As far as marriage and the Govt - it does not cost the govt any money to issue a marriage license - as the individual must pay for it himself.
As far as "these passages refer only to personal charity, not government programs." (Welfare - food stamps ect) is a direct cost the govt (taxpayers)
In addition when handing out money, there is no accountability. If a church wished to do so, that is their business, but as a pastor, I would insist on accountibilty and responsibility.
Just have a moment know, ...
Salty
PS, Crab - I do appreciate your statement "I do not have an opinion yet ... as I need to do more research. "
As far as marriage and the Govt - it does not cost the govt any money to issue a marriage license - as the individual must pay for it himself.
As far as "these passages refer only to personal charity, not government programs." (Welfare - food stamps ect) is a direct cost the govt (taxpayers)
In addition when handing out money, there is no accountability. If a church wished to do so, that is their business, but as a pastor, I would insist on accountibilty and responsibility.
Just have a moment know, ...
Salty
PS, Crab - I do appreciate your statement "I do not have an opinion yet ... as I need to do more research. "
The OP is a terribly framed question.
Almost as bad as the question Bachman got during the debate.
Almost as bad as the question Bachman got during the debate.
Don't blame me. Blame the writer of the article.
Why do you think it is a terribly framed question? Should his beliefs be examined seeing as to how he is making them a central part of his campaign ... or so I am led to believe.
Thousand Hills
Active Member
Take it for what its worth, but here is an excerpt from Wiki, I underlined the parts I particularly like, if true. But to answer the OP, I doubt he fits the definition of a "Christian" by that liberal rag newspaper. The bigger question for me is, does Chuck Norris support him? :tongue3:
Christian religious beliefs
Perry has been referred to as an Evangelical Christian[61] and a Methodist.[62] He grew up in the Methodist church, and he and his family have been members of Tarrytown United Methodist Church since the 1990s, the same church that former President George W. Bush attended in Austin. In 2010, Perry began attending Lake Hills Church in Austin. Perry's former deputy director of communications and principal speechwriter of four years, Andrew Barlow, was pastor of creative development at Lake Hills Church for seven years.[63] Perry says that as governor, he regularly attends numerous churches to speak. As for why he ultimately chooses to go to one place and not another, he said he administers a simple test: "If I remember on Wednesday what the message was on Sunday, it was a good message."[64]
In 2006, in what was described as a "God and country" sermon at the Cornerstone church in San Antonio, attended by Perry and other mostly Republican candidates, the Rev. John Hagee stated, "If you live your life and don't confess your sins to God Almighty through the authority of Christ and His blood, I'm going to say this very plainly, you're going straight to hell with a nonstop ticket." Perry was asked if he agreed with those comments and said, "It is my faith, and I'm a believer of that."[65] Perry went on to say that there was nothing in the sermon that he took exception with.[66] In May 2011, at a meeting in East Texas with business leaders, Perry stated that at age 27, he felt "called to the ministry".[67]
While visiting Israel in August 2009, Perry gave an interview to the Jerusalem Post in which he affirmed his support for Israel from his religious background, "I'm a big believer that this country was given to the people of Israel a long time ago, by God, and that's ordained."[68]
On June 6, 2011, Perry proclaimed Saturday, August 6, as a Day of Prayer and Fasting. He invited governors across the country to join him on that day to participate in The Response, a non-denominational, apolitical, Christian prayer meeting hosted by the American Family Association at Reliant Stadium in Houston. Perry also urged fellow governors to issue similar proclamations encouraging their constituents to pray that day for "unity and righteousness".[69]
After the September 11, 2001, World Trade Center attacks, Perry joined a Baptist pastor who led a prayer in the name of Jesus Christ, at a student assembly in a public middle school. Perry said he had no problem ignoring the Supreme Court’s 1962 ruling that barred organized prayer in public schools.[70]
In his first book, On My Honor, published in February 2008, Perry expressed his views on the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause. "Let's be clear: I don't believe government, which taxes people regardless of their faith, should espouse a specific faith. I also don't think we should allow a small minority of atheists to sanitize our civil dialogue on religious references."[71] In August 2011, at a Houston prayer and fasting event, Perry noted "God is wise enough not to be affiliated with any political party."[72]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Perry
Christian religious beliefs
Perry has been referred to as an Evangelical Christian[61] and a Methodist.[62] He grew up in the Methodist church, and he and his family have been members of Tarrytown United Methodist Church since the 1990s, the same church that former President George W. Bush attended in Austin. In 2010, Perry began attending Lake Hills Church in Austin. Perry's former deputy director of communications and principal speechwriter of four years, Andrew Barlow, was pastor of creative development at Lake Hills Church for seven years.[63] Perry says that as governor, he regularly attends numerous churches to speak. As for why he ultimately chooses to go to one place and not another, he said he administers a simple test: "If I remember on Wednesday what the message was on Sunday, it was a good message."[64]
In 2006, in what was described as a "God and country" sermon at the Cornerstone church in San Antonio, attended by Perry and other mostly Republican candidates, the Rev. John Hagee stated, "If you live your life and don't confess your sins to God Almighty through the authority of Christ and His blood, I'm going to say this very plainly, you're going straight to hell with a nonstop ticket." Perry was asked if he agreed with those comments and said, "It is my faith, and I'm a believer of that."[65] Perry went on to say that there was nothing in the sermon that he took exception with.[66] In May 2011, at a meeting in East Texas with business leaders, Perry stated that at age 27, he felt "called to the ministry".[67]
While visiting Israel in August 2009, Perry gave an interview to the Jerusalem Post in which he affirmed his support for Israel from his religious background, "I'm a big believer that this country was given to the people of Israel a long time ago, by God, and that's ordained."[68]
On June 6, 2011, Perry proclaimed Saturday, August 6, as a Day of Prayer and Fasting. He invited governors across the country to join him on that day to participate in The Response, a non-denominational, apolitical, Christian prayer meeting hosted by the American Family Association at Reliant Stadium in Houston. Perry also urged fellow governors to issue similar proclamations encouraging their constituents to pray that day for "unity and righteousness".[69]
After the September 11, 2001, World Trade Center attacks, Perry joined a Baptist pastor who led a prayer in the name of Jesus Christ, at a student assembly in a public middle school. Perry said he had no problem ignoring the Supreme Court’s 1962 ruling that barred organized prayer in public schools.[70]
In his first book, On My Honor, published in February 2008, Perry expressed his views on the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause. "Let's be clear: I don't believe government, which taxes people regardless of their faith, should espouse a specific faith. I also don't think we should allow a small minority of atheists to sanitize our civil dialogue on religious references."[71] In August 2011, at a Houston prayer and fasting event, Perry noted "God is wise enough not to be affiliated with any political party."[72]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Perry
Probably dies his hair too! so lets see
1. Only phonies die their hair
2. He is an Evangelical ....they are questioning his faith
3. He really hasnt done jack for Texas
4. He resembles Bush! Heaven forbid
5. Oh, & he has a pulse ....unlike Romney
6. At one time he was a democrat......yea so was Reagan
For me & my family it's going to come down to is who is going to support getting Americans back to work.....obviously BO and/or Washington isnt concerned so I dont really care if the guys a Mormon, Methodist, Catholic whatever....for me its a JOBS agenda. Perry at this time is pushing that button. Plus the guy isnt a Lawyer or a Banker .... He is agriculture (A&M Grad) ....I like that. He makes me feel like America still has great things in our future. Heck this is all powerful stuff.
I am surprised you would make a decision agreeing or disagreeing on the strength of one article. Why would you make such a decision on so little information?
Doesn't matter if the author disagrees with the court; if she disagrees that much, she needs to help fund an appeal, and see it taken to a higher court.
Apparently, the author hasn't read that part of the bible that says "if you won't work, you don't eat."
Perhaps because the government contributes taxpayer funds towards some things the bible disagrees with, and not others?
So Rick Perry is guilty of pride for having Christian beliefs, and acting upon those beliefs...but the author isn't guilty of pride for saying her beliefs are better than his?
Very charitable of you Donno..... but I prefer, If I give all my possessions to the poor & surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing
I think the author might have had a different spin on this had it been a candidate like Chris Christy (a Roman Catholic) from the NE portion of the country.
You could have reframed it if you desired. I think you just are enjoying the controversy it brings. :tongue3:
Crabtownboy said:
Well the theological inflection is that one can have varying levels of Christianity depending on their political views. That is insane. You either are a Christian or you aren't. We aren't Gnostics who believe in levels of salvation.
Also, it is obvious the press want to make this campaign about a certain set of views of religion. Personally I want to hear about actual issues that matter. This religious meandering is just a sideshow seeking to confuse the electorate.
I don't care if Governor Perry is a faithful Christian or backslidden Christian. Just like I don't care if President Obama is the same. I do care about how they have and will legislate. The religion issue is a minor, minor part of the conversation but is being made an unnecessary large part now.
I'm not planning on watching any TV from September through November 2012 save one NFL game a week. This is going to be a terrible election cycle.
Do you deny that scripture says what I stated?
Do you mean "charitable" as in the biblical concept, which is love? What love do you have for your fellow man if you make him dependent upon you for all his needs? If he's fully capable of working, but he chooses not to because you do it all for him, then you've made him lazy.
The distinction between those unable to work, and those who are able but don't, has been glossed over until we have such misunderstandings.
Agreed.I think the author might have had a different spin on this had it been a candidate like Chris Christy (a Roman Catholic) from the NE portion of the country.
This certainly was a rule set down by Capt. John Smith that first terrible winter in Jamestown. I believe the sick were exempted from this rule ... guess he followed a social gospel.
I do not remember reading this phrase, "if you do not work you do not eat," in the Bible. I searched Bible Gateway for "Do not work" and it came up with nothing. Can you please give me a reference to these words?
Tom Bryant
Well-Known Member
2 Thessalonians 3:10 - For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either.
It says if you won't work, not can't. It's not a social gospel. It's the social implications of the gospel.
It says if you won't work, not can't. It's not a social gospel. It's the social implications of the gospel.