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Is the KJV God?

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  1. tinytim

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    OK, I really believe we have sunk to an all time low here... but

    It has been suggested by both Sanderson and Rufus that the KJV is God.

    Actually Sanderson said so here http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=55805#post55805

    He quotes....

    "This exactly what I said the purpose of the article was not: to discuss KJV only-ism.

    The discussion was meant to be with those who believe the Bible, not with confused people whose authority is several different Bibles and texts. You are your own authority - you may as well be God since you decide what the truth is after looking at all your assortments of translations and texts.

    I have one God - the King James Bible - not 10 different Gods who all say things a little differently.

    Anyone who uses multiple Bibles (e.g. a KJV and an NIV) is polytheistic because they believe in more than one God (In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God!)

    Do you actually believe that the apostle Paul used 2 different versions of the OT? That is nonsense.

    Sincerely,

    Pastor Steven L Anderson



    Now Rufus says the same thing here....
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=937906#post937906

    Rufus quotes...

    "Is the Bible the Word of God? Is not the Word part of the Godhead?
    "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." - 1 John 5:7​
    What say your Bibles on this issue?"

    When Sanderson first said it there was some fire on the thread, but most people understood who said it and just rolled their eyes...

    But now Rufus comes along, and agrees with him...

    I knew Biblical theology was not being taught the way it used to be, but have we sunk so low as to promote heresy..

    God is a trinity... Father, Son, Holy Ghost
    Not a Quadity... Father, Son, Holy Ghost, KJV!!! (is Quadity even a theological term?)

    Or are you saying the Son is the KJV?
    That is blasphemous to say the least.

    I started to put this in the versions section, but this goes beyond the debates there...
    This has to do with the Trinity, and orthodox Christianity...

    Thank God I got out of that movement before I was brainwashed.

    How many others here feel the Bible is God?
     
    #1 tinytim, Jan 18, 2007
  2. SBCPreacher

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    My Bible (NKJV) tells me about God, how to live for God, etc. But my black genuine leather-bound, gold-egded pages Bible is not God. Neither is my NIV, HCSB, ESV, NASB, or my KJV (I do own one, you know!).
     
    #2 SBCPreacher, Jan 18, 2007
  3. rbell

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    the Book was not nailed to the cross for my sins.

    This is why, boys and girls, we must look at Context when we expound upon Scripture.

    "The Word" in John 1 does not refer to the KJV or any other translation. It refers to Jesus Christ.

    I agree: "the KJB is God" ("or 'any version' of the Bible is God") is blatant heresy.

    And ya'll check my posts out. It is very, very seldom that I throw that word around.
     
    #3 rbell, Jan 18, 2007
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    I do not think the "h-word" is too harsh of a term here.
     
    #4 StefanM, Jan 18, 2007
  5. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    I may be risking my moderator role here, but I agree that calling any version of the Bible "God" is blatant, pure heretical teaching.
     
    #5 NaasPreacher (C4K), Jan 18, 2007
  6. tinytim

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    I agree C4K... And this is not a KJV issue... This is a Bible issue.... any version...
    It amounts to Idol worship...
    How many of us would then have an Idol on our coffee tables.
     
    #6 tinytim, Jan 18, 2007
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    Sanderson said:
    "I have one God - the King James Bible"

    Rufus said:
    "Is the Bible the Word of God? Is not the Word part of the Godhead?"

    This kind of stuff leads so many people astray who are looking for truth.

    BTW, rbell, Good Stuff!! Thanks!
     
    #7 SBCPreacher, Jan 18, 2007
  8. Rufus_1611

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    Such drama Tiny. For the record you've placed some assumptions in what I stated and what my position is, as I do not have a settled position on this issue. I just don't think it is heresy for someone to believe it. Regardless, I'll roll with it...

    That's not what The Holy Bible says...

    "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." - 1 John 5:7​

    Now, is the Godhead the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit or is the Godhead the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost?

    If it's the former this discussion is over before it's begun. If it's the later let's talk.
     
    #8 Rufus_1611, Jan 18, 2007
  9. tinytim

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    The "J" comma.... hmmmmm..

    I take my theology from the Pure Word.... The Son
    Matthew 28:19
    (19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
     
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    Not a KJV issue? :confused: Ya' might wanna' check out post #8!

    Idol on the coffee table? Well, maybe my cat thinks he is a god, but I sure don't. :laugh: :laugh:

    Ed
     
    #10 EdSutton, Jan 18, 2007
  11. tinytim

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    I agree with the "J" comma... And I know that is a translational issue...

    But John here is referring to Jesus... The Son... see his other book...
    The Gospel of John, chapter 1....
    He clearly states the Word is Jesus...
    Not the Scriptures.
     
    #11 tinytim, Jan 18, 2007
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    There is a major difference in worshipping the Word of God (Jesus) and worshipping the words of God (any particular translation).

    When I read Psalm 119, which is about the words of God, is says nothing about worshipping them nor them being God.

    If Pastor Sanderson wanted to worship the words of God, then he should not use the KJV anyway.........Jesus didn't speak Old English.
     
    #12 Scarlett O., Jan 18, 2007
  13. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us..."

    Anybody's KJV become flesh and living amongst them?
     
    #13 NaasPreacher (C4K), Jan 18, 2007
  14. tinytim

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    Let's try to keep this from turning into a KJV debate... I don't want it moved to the translations section... It is more important than a KJV/MV debate...

    This is about who God is...
    This teaching slams away at our basic theology...

    Saying any Bible is God is idol worship....
     
    #14 tinytim, Jan 18, 2007
  15. tinytim

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    That would be scary!:laugh:
     
    #15 tinytim, Jan 18, 2007
  16. SBCPreacher

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    It would be. BUT...... It ain't gonna happen!
     
    #16 SBCPreacher, Jan 18, 2007
  17. Rufus_1611

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    This is about what the Bible says God or the Godhead is. The debate can not be had when we are discussing scripture that is not even included in your Bible(s) so of course it would sound outrageous and heretical to you.
     
    #17 Rufus_1611, Jan 18, 2007
  18. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    I accept the "J" comma which says that list the Father, the Word, and the Spirit as the Godhead.

    But that "word" became flesh and dwelt among us - I have not yet seen a KJV alive and dwelling among any of us.

    If the KJV is a part of the Trinity somebody lied.
     
    #18 NaasPreacher (C4K), Jan 18, 2007
  19. tinytim

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    Oh, but it is in my Bible.. I am KJVP.
    See post 11

    But even in the Bibles that include this verse "Word" stands for Jesus... not scripture.

    You are redefining Scripture....Actually, you are adding to it. By saying it says something it does not say...

    We should respect the Bible, but not worship it.....
    Come on Rufus.. I know we don't see eye to eye over things, but this is even strange for you.

    I used to respect your way of thinking, but if you promote idol worship, then I will have to change my thinking of you.

    Surely, you don't think your Bible is God? do you?
     
    #19 tinytim, Jan 18, 2007
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    Duplicate post
     
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