Is This really Lordship Salvation view then?

[JesusFan]

Think that the biblical view of salvation would include a profession of faith is Jesus as Lord and savior, but such a profession would be evidenced by some fruit, such as a changed mindset regarding sin, God, church bible etc, and some type of good works unto others , so not just "faith alone" talk after having been really saved , but a life to some degree reflecting a change

As to me that is not Dr MacArthur view, but what Jesus Himself and His apostles taught, as one must make their election and calling surer, and not end up like another Judas in the end

 

[Silverhair]

Baptist thought
There are two opposed philosophies:
Lordship Salvation teaches that to obtain Salvation one must obey a set of rules within faith. (how you dress, length of hair etc. Legalism).

Easy believism teaches all you have to do is say a prayer and how you live afterward has no effect. (do what you want when you want, Antinomianism).
Both these views are wrong.

These two things are in opposition to each other. But to be honest, it's not an either or proposition. I reject both of them.

Look at it this way:
Is Jesus Lord without being our savior? Yes
Is Jesus our Savior without being our Lord? No
Does Jesus expect those who know him to live a certain way? Yes.
Do those "certain ways" in any way determine if one is saved or not? No.
Can someone know Jesus as Lord and Savior, and thus be saved, but not fully understand what all of that means? Yes.

The last question is the key, in my mind.

It's not unlike how I reject both Calvinism and Arminianism. I'm a Baptist.
HKUriah

 

[canadyjd]

Baptist thought
There are two opposed philosophies:
Lordship Salvation teaches that to obtain Salvation one must obey a set of rules within faith. (how you dress, length of hair etc. Legalism)..

That is NOT what Lordship Salvation teaches.

@JesusFan gave a well stated definition in the OP.

Peace to you

 

[Silverhair]

That is NOT what Lordship Salvation teaches.

@JesusFan gave a well stated definition in the OP.

Peace to you

Well since I do not hold to that or "easy believism" does it really matter.

What I have found is that people want to made rules.

That is why for me this expresses my thought quite well

Look at it this way:
Is Jesus Lord without being our savior? Yes
Is Jesus our Savior without being our Lord? No
Does Jesus expect those who know him to live a certain way? Yes.
Do those "certain ways" in any way determine if one is saved or not? No.
Can someone know Jesus as Lord and Savior, and thus be saved, but not fully understand what all of that means? Yes.

The last question is the key, in my mind.

It's not unlike how I reject both Calvinism and Arminianism. I'm a Baptist.

 

[Layman]

As to me that is not Dr MacArthur view, but what Jesus Himself and His apostles taught, as one must make their election and calling surer, and not end up like another Judas in the end

I don’t know if you’ve ever had a chance to read “So Great Salvation” by Charles Ryrie. It is a rebuttal to John MacArthur’s “The Gospel According to Jesus.”

Even though Ryrie comes a little too close to free grace theology at times and makes category errors of biblical terms, he will admit that a genuine faith will result in a changed life. He and MacArthur come to the same conclusion but have different ways to get there.

 

[David Lamb]

Think that the biblical view of salvation would include a profession of faith is Jesus as Lord and savior, but such a profession would be evidenced by some fruit, such as a changed mindset regarding sin, God, church bible etc, and some type of good works unto others , so not just "faith alone" talk after having been really saved , but a life to some degree reflecting a change

As to me that is not Dr MacArthur view, but what Jesus Himself and His apostles taught, as one must make their election and calling surer, and not end up like another Judas in the end

I have never been sure what precisely is meant by "Lordship Salvation." If it means believing that Jesus is Lord, and that those who claim to believe in Him are to obey Him, then I agree with it. (If it means something more than that, then I would need to know what the "something more" is before I said whether or not I agree with it.) When some argue that sinners are not required to believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, I am tempted to ask, "Who is the Jesus that sinners are required to believe in for salvation?" If somebody says that they believe in Jesus, but don't believe He is Lord, then I say that the Jesus they believe in isn't the Jesus we read of in God's word.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Baptist thought
There are two opposed philosophies:
Lordship Salvation teaches that to obtain Salvation one must obey a set of rules within faith. (how you dress, length of hair etc. Legalism).

Easy believism teaches all you have to do is say a prayer and how you live afterward has no effect. (do what you want when you want, Antinomianism).
Both these views are wrong.

These two things are in opposition to each other. But to be honest, it's not an either or proposition. I reject both of them.

Look at it this way:
Is Jesus Lord without being our savior? Yes
Is Jesus our Savior without being our Lord? No
Does Jesus expect those who know him to live a certain way? Yes.
Do those "certain ways" in any way determine if one is saved or not? No.
Can someone know Jesus as Lord and Savior, and thus be saved, but not fully understand what all of that means? Yes.

The last question is the key, in my mind.

It's not unlike how I reject both Calvinism and Arminianism. I'm a Baptist.
HKUriah

one is legalism

the other is licentiousness.

The truth is in the center