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Isaiah 53:6 The Lord has laid upon Him the iniquity us ALL

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Ran the Man, Feb 28, 2019.

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    All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned, each of us, to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

    How do you get limited atonement out of "all", 'each of us", and "us all"?

    You guys asked for scripture. Get ready for phase two.
     
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    I will have to search the doobie brothers lyrics first.
     
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    You have to have the context of who Isaiah was addressing. The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz concerning Judah and Jerusalem, which he saw during the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.[Isaiah 1:1] Isaiah was written to the Israelites, not to all mankind living at that time. It was not written to the Jebusites, Hittites, Hivites, Assyrians, Moabites, Philistines, Egyptians, Syrians, &c. So Isaiah was referring to the Jews at this time.

    However, even though these were God's chosen ppl, not all of them were chosen by Him. Not all of Israel IS Israel.[Romans 9:6]
     
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    It says us all, not a chosen few.
     
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    And also, did only the so called elect go astray or everyone? So the elect are sinners who went astray and the rest of the world has no sin?
    If all means only the elect, then I guess only the elect are totally depraved.
     
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    Dude, if you and I are in Houston at the same time, I plan to buy you a beer for that comeback. :)
     
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