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It doesn't make sense

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Pioneer, May 18, 2003.

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  1. Pioneer

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    It doesn't make sense that God would give us a perfect Bible in the original manuscripts and then allow His perfect Bible to go to rot and as a result we have imperfect Bibles in a multitude of modern versions. Is God that stupid?
     
    #1 Pioneer, May 18, 2003
  2. Ed Edwards

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    Amen, Brother Pioneer. [​IMG]

    That is exactly why i believe that
    all English versions (including all
    three of the main KJVs) contain the
    inspired, God Breathed, human penned,
    written Word of God. (I also believe
    in the LIVING WORD OF GOD which is
    Jesus, the Christ.)
     
    #2 Ed Edwards, May 18, 2003
  3. Ed Edwards

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    The basics of Fundamentalism are:

    1. the inspiration and infallibility of Scripture
    2. the diety of Christ
    3. the substitutinary atonement of Christ's death
    4. the literal resurrection of Christ from the dead
    5. the literal return of Christ in the Second Advent

    Any teaching that goes beyond these fundamentals,
    is not fundamentalism, but something else.

    Please note the first one:
    "the inspiration and infallibility of Scripture".

    I know some want to limit "Scripture" to one form
    of one book but fundamentally speaking, we
    should not limit scripture to one book.
    Some are wont to limit "Scripture" to some
    unavailable "autographs", but we know God in
    His Divine Providence wants the scripture to be
    available in a language the individual priest-before-God
    can read.

    So then, I belive that all scripture containing
    English books (KJV1873, NASB, NLT, NKJV, etc)
    are inspired and infallibile. Amen? [​IMG]
     
    #3 Ed Edwards, May 18, 2003
  4. Baptist in Richmond

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    Edifier writes:

    &gt;&gt;So then, I belive that all scripture containing
    &gt;&gt;English books (KJV1873, NASB, NLT, NKJV, etc)
    &gt;&gt;are inspired and infallibile. Amen?

    Amen.

    Edifier, you have quite aptly named yourself!!
    I could not have said it better!!
     
    #4 Baptist in Richmond, May 18, 2003
  5. Ed Edwards

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    Thank you, Brother Baptist in Richmond,
    for your kind words.

    May God's best blessings be unto Brother
    Baptist in Richmond today and unto
    his family and his ministry. Amen. [​IMG]
     
    #5 Ed Edwards, May 18, 2003
  6. ruthigirl

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    I suppose there is no chance that you misunderstand things.

    First, it is not God who is stupid.
    Second, if you study the Scriptures without the KJVO sensationalism and guilttrip doctrine, you would not be KJVO.
    Third, I used to be KJVO. I studied the KJV passages on preservation. By the Lord's mercies, I am no longer KJVO.

    Here is the real question: if preservation is true (using the KJVO understanding), where are the original manuscripts that we all agree God actually did inspire?
     
    #6 ruthigirl, May 18, 2003
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    No, [snip]

    [Personal attack deleted]

    [ May 18, 2003, 06:47 PM: Message edited by: Pastor/Bob ]
     
    #7 Alcott, May 18, 2003
  8. Pastor Larry

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    It doesn't make sense to call God stupid because you don't agree with what he did. I think that is a very unwise and unfortunate use of terms. I think it would be appropriate to remove that remark. What "makes sense" to you is not the standard of truth. And questioning God's intelligence does not fall within the purview of human responsibility.
     
    #8 Pastor Larry, May 18, 2003
  9. Dr. Bob

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    God created man KNOWING that this man would, of his own free will, sin and rebel against God. THAT doesn't make sense. Was God that stupid?

    God created a perfect earth KNOWING that man would sin and turn Eden into a nightmare that would have to be destroyed by a flood. THAT doesn't make sense. Was God that stupid?

    God sent His perfect sinless Son and he ended up nailed to a cross to die! THAT doesn't make sense, either. Was God that stupid?

    It is not God, my friend, that is stupid, is it?
     
    #9 Dr. Bob, May 18, 2003
  10. neal4christ

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  11. Anti-Alexandrian

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    Funny,this paticular passage of Scripture comes to mind when the "MV" position rears it's head.See Psalms 78:41!!!
     
    #11 Anti-Alexandrian, May 18, 2003
  12. Baptist in Richmond

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    Wow, and I am still waiting for you to answer my question on the other thread....
     
    #12 Baptist in Richmond, May 18, 2003
  13. Pioneer

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    Each of those illustrations is a demonstration of the love of God. Can you honestly say that having a multitude of imperfect Bibles is also a demonstration of the love of God? I doubt it very much.
     
    #13 Pioneer, May 18, 2003
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    Ah, your bias is showing slightly! "Imperfect Bibles" - and who, pray tell, are you to tell me that the English translation I am using is "imperfect"?

    I use one that translates some words VERY POORLY, that adds words when the Greek has none, and shows theological bias toward a state church, infant baptism, and a number of other grievious pitfalls.

    My English Bible has been changed in thousands of places more than one hundred times since it was written. And you talk about "imperfect" Bibles!

    That sort of vain arrogance and mock superiority gets "onlies" into serious trouble.
     
    #14 Dr. Bob, May 18, 2003
  15. Ed Edwards

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    Wonderful scripture! [​IMG]
    Says to me i aught not limit
    God to one and only one English Bible.
    Fortunately, i believe the ungarnished
    written word of God abides PERFECT in each
    and every English version. Though I must
    admit I don't have access to a Geneva Bible [​IMG]
     
    #15 Ed Edwards, May 18, 2003
  16. Pioneer

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    Modern version advocates keep repeating that there is no such thing as a perfect Bible. So they must be all imperfect. A perfect God giving us imperfect Bibles. Sounds like mixed up logic to me. I don't see any where in the scriptures that God expects me to ignore plain common sense. Plain common sense tells me that a perfect God (who requires 100% obedience to His word - Matt. 4:4) gave us a perfect Bible and that he also preserved His perfect Bible for all generations to read and obey (Psalm 12:6,7).
     
    #16 Pioneer, May 18, 2003
  17. neal4christ

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    Huh? Could you explain, please? I am not the one that limits God to Elizabethan English, you are. And if you say that I tempt God, I would like for you to explain how.

    I am sorry that you don't like Isaiah 55:8-9.

    Neal
     
    #17 neal4christ, May 19, 2003
  18. Anti-Alexandrian

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    You limit Him in His ability to preserve us a perfect,infallible,inerrant Bible;simple enough for you??
    Those are fine verses;but what does that have to do with this discussion??? [​IMG]
     
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  19. Ed Edwards

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    MV-neverist: "You limit Him in His ability to preserve
    us a perfect,infallible,inerrant Bible;simple enough
    for you??"

    I believe in putting a space after a comma.
    This makes the statement:
    You limit Him in His ability to preserve us a perfect,
    infallible, inerrant Bible; simple enough for you??

    I believe that God has preserved for this
    generation the Contemporary English Version (CEV).
    The CEV contains a perfect, infallible, inerrant Bible:
    the written word of God.
    [​IMG]
     
    #19 Ed Edwards, May 19, 2003
  20. TomVols

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    We're doing a lot of talking "past" each other, with both sides accusing the other of things they do not believe. Let's pick it up a notch or two, okay?
     
    #20 TomVols, May 19, 2003
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