'I've never encountered anything so brazen'

[Crabtownboy]

No one addressed the topic of the thread on Trump using foundation funds to pay for his debts. So, let's try again. Please stay on the topic of Trump, we know how you feel about Hillary. So, how about Trump's seemingly illegal use of funds.

The Washington Post's David Fahrenthold on Tuesday published a series of stunning revelations about Donald Trump's charitable foundation, reporting that the Republican presidential nominee used money from the Trump Foundation to pay legal fees related to his businesses.

The report, citing tax records, said Trump had not made a single donation to his charity since 2008 and sometimes used money from others through the foundation to pay off legal expenses.

The money relating to those expenses, which reportedly amounted to $258,000 from the Trump Foundation, may have violated "self-dealing" laws that prohibit nonprofit leaders from using charity money for self-benefit or the benefit of their for-profit businesses, according to The Post.

"I represent 700 nonprofits a year, and I've never encountered anything so brazen," Jeffrey Tenenbaum, who advises charities at the Venable law firm in Washington, told The Post, later describing the details as "really shocking."

"If he's using other people's money — run through his foundation — to satisfy his personal obligations, then that's about as blatant an example of self-dealing [as] I've seen in a while," he continued.

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-foundation-2016-9

 

[Lewis]

Trump Foundation funds, charitable funds, ultimately went to...charities benefitting veterans. I can't image those who donated would be upset about that.

And when you consider that Trump's original offense was flying a US flag that was too large, well it seems a fitting resolution.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Trump Foundation funds, charitable funds, ultimately went to...charities benefitting veterans. I can't image those who donated would be upset about that.

Are you sure he really gave them any funds?

Donald Trump Charity Failed to Heed States' Rules With Veterans ...
New York Times-Sep 19, 2016
Mr. Trump's foundation was unregistered in most states before a fund-raiser forveterans in January. Credit Eric Thayer for The New York Times.

And when you consider that Trump's original offense was flying a US flag that was too large, well it seems a fitting resolution.

Totally off topic. This thread is his illegal use of funds to pay off personal debts. How do you feel about that?

 

[carpro]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...boards/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social


Hillary Clinton Rewarded 194 Donors With Seats on State Dept. Advisory Boards


The Washington Examiner reports that 194 of Hillary Clinton’s donors were named to advisory boards while she was Secretary of State between 2009 and 2012.

These were all people who donated to “either to her family’s foundation, her political campaigns, or both, or were affiliated with groups that had,” according to the Examiner’s review of federal records. Fully 40 percent of the State Department advisory appointments during Clinton’s time as Secretary of State went to her donors.

 

[Lewis]

Are you sure he really gave them any funds?

Yes I'm sure. Here is one of the checks that went to Fisher House, a home for disabled veterans.

Totally off topic. This thread is his illegal use of funds to pay off personal debts. How do you feel about that?

Once again, the Trump foundation provides funds to charities. That is where the money went in this case. If I were one of his donors I'd not be upset about the use of my money for this purpose. Especially considering that his legal problem involved some silly zoning regulation about the size of the US flag flying on his property.

 

[Zaac]

Trump Foundation funds, charitable funds, ultimately went to...charities benefitting veterans. I can't image those who donated would be upset about that.

And when you consider that Trump's original offense was flying a US flag that was too large, well it seems a fitting resolution.

It doesn't matter who they went to. You CANNOT use charitable donations to pay off your personal debt and/or legal fees. It's called self dealing.

And apparently there is a pretty regular history of him doing this.

If you have been fined, the purpose of the law is to make YOU the recipient of the consequences. It is not intended that someone else bear the burden for your fines.

I would think the GOP would be very much against this type thing.

 

[Zaac]

Yes I'm sure. Here is one of the checks that went to Fisher House, a home for disabled veterans.

Once again, the Trump foundation provides funds to charities. That is where the money went in this case. If I were one of his donors I'd not be upset about the use of my money for this purpose. Especially considering that his legal problem involved some silly zoning regulation about the size of the US flag flying on his property.

The point is that it is illegal. You cannot use charitable donations to benefit yourself or your businesses.

 

[Zaac]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...boards/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social


Hillary Clinton Rewarded 194 Donors With Seats on State Dept. Advisory Boards


The Washington Examiner reports that 194 of Hillary Clinton’s donors were named to advisory boards while she was Secretary of State between 2009 and 2012.

These were all people who donated to “either to her family’s foundation, her political campaigns, or both, or were affiliated with groups that had,” according to the Examiner’s review of federal records. Fully 40 percent of the State Department advisory appointments during Clinton’s time as Secretary of State went to her donors.

Her appointments aren't illegal. His self-dealing is.

 

[Lewis]

It doesn't matter who they went to. You CANNOT use charitable donations to pay off your personal debt and/or legal fees. It's called self dealing.

And apparently there is a pretty regular history of him doing this.

If you have been fined, the purpose of the law is to make YOU the recipient of the consequences. It is not intended that someone else bear the burden for your fines.

I would think the GOP would be very much against this type thing.

Well then the IRS may fine him. Not a big deal. As I pointed out in the previous thread, Washington Post has put plenty of resources into finding Trump scandals. This is the best they can do, and it dates back to 2007. It is obvious they are trying to take the focus off of Clinton's many problems.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Yes I'm sure. Here is one of the checks that went to Fisher House, a home for disabled veterans.

Once again, the Trump foundation provides funds to charities. That is where the money went in this case. If I were one of his donors I'd not be upset about the use of my money for this purpose. Especially considering that his legal problem involved some silly zoning regulation about the size of the US flag flying on his property.

But what about Trump using your funds to pay his own personal debt?

 

[Zaac]

Well then the IRS may fine him. Not a big deal. As I pointed out in the previous thread, Washington Post has put plenty of resources into finding Trump scandals. This is the best they can do, and it dates back to 2007. It is obvious they are trying to take the focus off of Clinton's many problems.

Umm the GOP spent 19 months on some emails and the lady wasn't charged with anything. The press has spent weeks on "looking into" the Clinton Foundation and have found nothing illegal.

Yet Donald Trump's foundation makes a $25,000 donation to the Florida AG after she personally solicited a the contribution from Donald Trump around the same time her office deliberated joining an investigation of alleged fraud at Trump University and its affiliates.

The same Trump Foundation then spends an estimated $258,000 of foundation money to pay for his personal debt.

So it's apparent that the media nor the Trump supporters really care what he does.

 

[Zaac]

But what about Trump using your funds to pay his own personal debt?

They don't care CTB. Time and time again, it's been shown who of the two candidates REALLY is crooked and REALLY has broken the law. And his supporters and a lot of the media just don't care.

Now they care about some emails. But this they don't care about.

 

[Lewis]

But what about Trump using your funds to pay his own personal debt?

I'd kind of like it. As a veteran I don't mind my donation going to Fisher House, and I don't really see it as a personal debt. The Palm Beach fine over the size of Trump's US flag strikes me as silly harassment.

 

[carpro]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-charity-aided-clinton-friends-1463086383


A $2 million commitment arranged by the nonprofit Clinton Global Initiative in 2010 went to a for-profit company part-owned by friends of the Clintons


The Clinton Global Initiative, which arranges donations to help solve the world’s problems, set up a financial commitment that benefited a for-profit company part-owned by people with ties to the Clintons, including a current and a former Democratic official and a close friend of former President Bill Clinton.
The $2 million commitment was placed on the agenda for a September 2010 conference of the Clinton Global Initiative at Mr. Clinton’s urging, according to a document from the period and people familiar with the matter.

Mr. Clinton also personally endorsed the company, Energy Pioneer Solutions Inc., to then-Energy Secretary Steven Chu for a federal grant that year, said people with knowledge of the endorsement.


The Clinton Global Initiative’s help for a for-profit company part-owned by Clinton friends poses a different issue. Under federal law, tax-exempt charitable organizations aren’t supposed to act in anyone’s private interest but instead in the public interest, on broad issues such as education or poverty.

“The organization must not be organized or operated for the benefit of private interests,” the Internal Revenue Service says on its website.

 

[Zaac]

I'd kind of like it. As a veteran I don't mind my donation going to Fisher House, and I don't really see it as a personal debt. The Palm Beach fine over the size of Trump's US flag strikes me as silly harassment.

Again, CTB, his last name isn't Clinton. His supporters don't care if HE breaks the law. For decades the GOP has run off at the mouth about the "rule of law" and lo and behold they have been overrun by an element that could care less about the law.

This is one of the reason why I think the GOP establishment is so against him...but foolishly will still vote for him. Neither he nor his cronies care anything about the law. And his plan is to get in office and break that law at every turn to accomplish what he thinks needs to be accomplished.

But folks are still supporting this recklessness.

 

[Zaac]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-charity-aided-clinton-friends-1463086383


A $2 million commitment arranged by the nonprofit Clinton Global Initiative in 2010 went to a for-profit company part-owned by friends of the Clintons


The Clinton Global Initiative, which arranges donations to help solve the world’s problems, set up a financial commitment that benefited a for-profit company part-owned by people with ties to the Clintons, including a current and a former Democratic official and a close friend of former President Bill Clinton.
The $2 million commitment was placed on the agenda for a September 2010 conference of the Clinton Global Initiative at Mr. Clinton’s urging, according to a document from the period and people familiar with the matter.

Mr. Clinton also personally endorsed the company, Energy Pioneer Solutions Inc., to then-Energy Secretary Steven Chu for a federal grant that year, said people with knowledge of the endorsement.


The Clinton Global Initiative’s help for a for-profit company part-owned by Clinton friends poses a different issue. Under federal law, tax-exempt charitable organizations aren’t supposed to act in anyone’s private interest but instead in the public interest, on broad issues such as education or poverty.

“The organization must not be organized or operated for the benefit of private interests,” the Internal Revenue Service says on its website.

And? That's what the foundation does is help get others to make financial contributions to aid other agencies around the world in their humanitarian efforts.

It doesn't collect monies and then turn around and use them to pay off Clinton debt.

 

[poncho]

Some emails . . .

 

[Lewis]

Again, CTB, his last name isn't Clinton. His supporters don't care if HE breaks the law.

Ok, Trump's infraction bothers me. Better?

But not nearly as much as Obama bypassing Congress with his "Pen and a telephone". It bothers me that he issued 184 major rules during its first six years, and that there are 1500 more rules in the pipeline coming up.

That he has declared
548 million acres of land to be under Federal protection without consulting Congress. Or that he sends pallet loads of cash to Iran without bothering to check with anyone. And commits the US to international climate agreements on his own.

It bothers me that both Obama and Hillary want to leave the southern border open, and are pro-amnesty. And that Hillary has bragged that,
"I am delighted to be the Senator from Punjab as well as from New York", and wants to increase H1-B visas bringing in more foreign tech graduates, and putting American techies out of work.

It bothers me that Hillary, in a speech given in India says, ‘Outsourcing will continue. There is no way to legislate against reality. We are not in favor of putting up fences.’

 

[poncho]

 

[Crabtownboy]

Another red herring reply. Totally off the topic of Trump using foundation funds illegally.