James Dobson Speaking At SBC meeting

Kiffin:

I share your concern and I agree. But more disturbing than the endorsement of "Political Rightness" to me is the endorsement of bad theology, as you have mentioned. And how far have we slid from Baptist polity and theology to have a Nazarene member speak at the national Southern Baptist convention! Are there not enough qualified Baptist pastor-theologians in this country (or others) who can fill the speaking needs?

 

yes, it would be a real shame for a major Christian denomination to demonstrate to the world that God's word actually has the answers to real live problems. Better to sit and argue about the pH of water to be used in baptism.

 

Jim,

The problem is people think you can't do both. Could Southern Baptists have not found a Baptist that believed and taught the exact same thing as Dodson does on the Family? Yes! But instead they get Dodson and send a message (whether they wanted to or not) to everybody that Baptists and Dodson are on the same page and are in fellowship. We would not accept Dodson in our church, without him being properly baptized and we would not allow him to preach in our pulpit. I thank God for his ministry, but I think he would be more faithful to the Lord and to the Holy Scriptures if he would become a Baptist.

 

Is it possible that God is not calling him to be a Baptist? Are Baptist the only true church? If God wanted him to stay right where he is, wouldn't he be disobedient by becoming a Baptist?

Joseph

 

I'm not in the SBC, but the topic of speakers at conferences is interesting. The seminary I attend is fundamental, baptist, and premillenial. Their standard for speakers is: the speaker must be fundamental, baptist, and premillenial. However, the college from which I graduated was not as strict. They too were f,b,p; but speakers often held to only two or in some cases perhaps only one of the above. The faculty was f,b,p; but chapel and conference speakers were not always. However, the speakers were asked to speak to a topic in which they agreed with the school. Perhaps the SBC is inviting Dobson to speak on a topic in which he agrees with the SBC, or the leadership anyway. He may believe in losing salvation, but will avoid that topic at the conference so they have him anyway. So the SBC is less rigid in their criteria for speakers as long as they can assign him a topic in which his view reflects theirs. After all, I do not have to agree with someone 100% to benefit from them. Just a thought.

 

Kiffin:

One problem is that the SBC invites an Arminian speaker because the SBC leadership is largely Arminian. Why is James Merritt SBC president instead of Al Mohler? Who is the better theologian? But who is the SBC leadership more in line with theologically?

Another problem is that many of our church members do not understand what it means to be Baptist and have 0 understanding of Baptist history. Most modern Baptists have no clue as to who James P Boyce, B.H. Carroll, Richard Furman, John L. Dagg or J.R. Graves were.

A third problem is that the Conservative resurgence was only a partial reformation. It succeeded in weeding out the liberal Arminians, but put in control the Conservative Arminians. The SBC is still in need of a theological Reformation, a return to biblical reformed theology, and a working understanding of Baptist history so as not to repeat its 20th century failures.

 

Kiffin:

You are exactly right. When I go to the SBC I want to see what the SBC is going to be doing about teaching our churches to glorify God and enjoy Him forever. What are we doing about making his name great among the peoples of the nations?

Instead we get statements (again) about families, divorce and covenant marriages. It's not a hard subject: Love and serve God, love and serve each other. It seems that the SBC is turning into the world's largest family counseling service. The problems in Baptist life are not rooted in the family, that is but a symptom. The problem is in not recognizing the Sovereign God of the universe as Lord over every area of our being. We do not need a Focus on the Family; we need a Focus on the majestic glory of Jesus Christ and then we will have a church who lives in covenant - with Christ first and then with each other.

[ June 13, 2001: Message edited by: Chris Temple ]

 

Something I found while surfing the web not long ago and offer without comment.

CNP

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JBotwinick:
Is it possible that God is not calling him to be a Baptist? Are Baptist the only true church? If God wanted him to stay right where he is, wouldn't he be disobedient by becoming a Baptist?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Is it possible that God is calling him to be disobedient to scripture? NO!

Is it possible that God wants him to stay in a heretical "church.?" NO!

Is "Baptist" the only true church? If by "Baptist" you mean "founded on the bible as the sole authority on all matters of faith and practice, then the answer is YES!

The word "Baptist" is not a denominational name, but a doctrinal identity. We identify with what the bible teaches on any given subject. To do otherwise is not Baptist and not biblical.

[ June 15, 2001: Message edited by: Thomas Cassidy ]

 

I'm very sad by the fact that having Dr. Dobson is such an issue. Dr.Dobson has alot of wisdom and insite for christians and no matter if he agrees or disagrees with a particular doctrine it should be more of a concern of if Dr. Dobson loves God and is serving him actively and that I believe he is doing 100%. Has our christianity come to the idea of separation of denomination so much to the point we reject others in Christ?

No matter if its the baptist or methodists or who the denomination is...are they bought with the blood of Jesus and is what they are teaching you at that moment biblically based?

Just a thought friends.

 

I feel like I am in the twilight zone here. James Dobson takes Freudian humanism and combines it with scripture and calls it Christianity. Right wing??????? I don't think so. Humanism is as far left as you can get. I hate to ruin peoples day but Jesus is not a liberal. There is no room for liberalism in the Bible. Everything in it is black and white. There are no grey areas.

 

I have upmost respect for Dr. Dobson, I may not agree with all he does or says but I think he is teaching godly values and is matching up with the bible. dar

 

"James Dobson takes Fruedian humanism and combines it with Scripture and calls it Christianity."

LOL!

Obviously we're thinking of different jamed Dobsons.

Can you give a couple of examples?

 

It seems to me that Dr. Dobson has come a long way. I support his ministry although I must admit that there are some things that I disagree with. If you go back maybe 15 years or so, you would find him pushing some pop-psychology things, particularly in the area of self-esteem teaching. It seems that he has dropped that for some time, although I have never heard him renounce it or say that he changed his mind.

As to right wing, I guess it's a matter of perspective. I'll be a little old fashioned and say that anyone who views Dobson as far to their right is a communist.

 

Dobson is a psychologist. And we dont need a psychologist. The greatest wisdom and psychology available to man is from Genesis to Revelation. God and his Word far surpass a man like Dobson who mixes human psychology with Bible doctrine.

I say bypass human wisdom and listen to God only through is word.

Most people that are messed up mentally have no trust in God and dont believe he is in control. Take it from someone whos been down that path ... me