Remember Jim Elliott?
College Removes Plaque Honoring Slain Missionaries Because It Was Deemed ‘Offensive’
College Removes Plaque Honoring Slain Missionaries Because It Was Deemed ‘Offensive’
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Jim Elliott
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He was one of those missionaries ate by tribe, correct?
And his son went later to same tribe, and the Lord had converted them to Christ ?
Where did you come up with that?
No, there was no cannibalism. He and four other men were speared to death by some in the tribe in 1956. Their bodies weren't found immediately.
Jim Elliott did not have a son. But he did have a 10-month old daughter at the time with his wife, Elisabeth. In 1957, she wrote a book, "Through the Gates of Splendor" about the tragic event. She quoted alot from her husbands own journaling.
The next year, in 1958 - she and the wife of another slain missionary went back to Ecuador, to that place of natives knowing nothing of the outside world, and tried again. This time the Lord opened their hearts. She stayed with them for five years.
And she brought along her toddler daughter with her. I remember reading somewhere that after a time, she asked the man who led in the killing of the missionaries why they did it. He said, if I can recall correctly, that they were frightened and thought they may be in danger. He was VERY sorry.
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Scott Downey
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'Savages' very properly descriptive of those pagans. Very true for them back then.
Liberal heathens themselves do not want the gospel preached to the savage 'heathens' anywhere in the world, another charged word.
They are 'satanic', both the 'savages', and liberal social justice warrior 'heathens'. They are in opposition to the gospel of Jesus Christ to go and make disciples of all nations teaching them to observe all that he has commanded them.
couple hundred places where heathen is in scripture.
no word savage though
BibleGateway - Keyword Search: heathen
heathen versus savage pretty much same word
Words Heathen and Savage have similar meaning (thesaurus.plus)
Liberal heathens themselves do not want the gospel preached to the savage 'heathens' anywhere in the world, another charged word.
They are 'satanic', both the 'savages', and liberal social justice warrior 'heathens'. They are in opposition to the gospel of Jesus Christ to go and make disciples of all nations teaching them to observe all that he has commanded them.
couple hundred places where heathen is in scripture.
no word savage though
BibleGateway - Keyword Search: heathen
heathen versus savage pretty much same word
Words Heathen and Savage have similar meaning (thesaurus.plus)
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This is Wheaton College—the school's president, quoted in OP article, serves alongside Al Mohler, Mark Dever, etc. on the Council of 'The Gospel Coalition'.
"Wheaton College established a task force to reword....language on the plaque that is now recognized as offensive,' said university President Philip Ryken in a Wednesday email to students. 'Specifically, the word ‘savage’ is regarded as pejorative and has been used historically to dehumanize and mistreat indigenous peoples around the world'."
~sigh~
I guess I don't have a knee-jerk reaction to this.
The plaque is merely being reworded. The intent to honor these missionaries is still there. Just the words "savage Indians" will be reworded. Savagery is in the heart of a man or woman - not in one's skin tone.
Savagery is found everywhere. It's seen very often on the Baptist Board and all over the internet.
These people felt threatened and they attacked. They were wrong on both counts. That's what was told to Jim Elliott's wife by one of the attackers. The deaths were ugly and sad. But was that savagery? The missionaries shot back in self-defense. In the eyes of the natives at that moment - who was the savage?
I thank the Lord for these martyred men who are with Christ today and the two wives who continued the work. I thank the Lord for those native Aucas who were saved. It is what it is.
If the school wishes to reword the plaque - I really don't care. My focus is on the MUCH bigger picture.
I guess I don't have a knee-jerk reaction to this.
The plaque is merely being reworded. The intent to honor these missionaries is still there. Just the words "savage Indians" will be reworded. Savagery is in the heart of a man or woman - not in one's skin tone.
Savagery is found everywhere. It's seen very often on the Baptist Board and all over the internet.
These people felt threatened and they attacked. They were wrong on both counts. That's what was told to Jim Elliott's wife by one of the attackers. The deaths were ugly and sad. But was that savagery? The missionaries shot back in self-defense. In the eyes of the natives at that moment - who was the savage?
I thank the Lord for these martyred men who are with Christ today and the two wives who continued the work. I thank the Lord for those native Aucas who were saved. It is what it is.
If the school wishes to reword the plaque - I really don't care. My focus is on the MUCH bigger picture.
If true, Wheaton College should change its name to Tare$on College.
Wheaton College (Illinois)
Activism and controversy[edit]
Wheaton College has received criticism in recent years from both conservative and liberal alumni. Wheaton's acceptance of evolutionary biology in the science departments has proved controversial to some. Wheaton College was prominently featured in the 2001 PBS documentary Evolution, which showcased Wheaton professors' acceptance of theistic evolution.[41] On issues of religion and science, the college holds the view that religious teachings about God and modern science are not at odds.
On October 13, 2007, Wheaton College's Stanton L. Jones signed interfaith document "Loving God and Neighbor Together: A Christian Response to A Common Word Between Us and You," agreeing that Islam and Christianity can be at peace with each other.[42]
The school's mascot was changed from the Crusaders to the Thunder in 2000, as the image of a mounted Crusader was deemed potentially offensive and reminiscent of a controversial period in Christian history. The change was noted in the national press, and some alumni objected to the change. Other suggestions for a new mascot name that were rejected included the Mastodons — a reference to Perry Mastodon, which is a mastodon skeleton that was excavated nearby and is now on display on the college campus in the brand new science building. While still known as the "Thunder", in 2010 the mascot was officially changed to a mastodon named "Tor Thunder" to integrate the official and unofficial mascots.[43]
Wheaton again appeared in the news when Joshua Hochschild, assistant professor of philosophy, was dismissed in 2004 for becoming Roman Catholic.[44] Wheaton's president said his "personal desire" to retain Hochschild, "a gifted brother in Christ", was outweighed by his duty to employ "faculty who embody the institution's Protestant convictions".[45] In 2008, English professor Kent Gramm resigned after declining to give the college administration details of his pending divorce from his wife of 30 years.[46][47]
In 2011, a group of Wheaton alumni established OneWheaton, with the stated purpose of providing allied support to lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and similar students and alumni at Wheaton and other colleges.[48][49]
In July 2012, Wheaton College filed a lawsuit alongside The Catholic University of America in the Washington, D.C. District Court, opposing the Health and Human Services Preventative Services mandate. The mandate, which is a regulation under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, would force both institutions to provide access to emergency contraceptive drugs or pay severe fines.[50]
In December 2015 Wheaton College suspended tenured professor of political science Larycia Hawkins, who wrote "I stand in religious solidarity with Muslims because they, like me, a Christian, are people of the book. And as Pope Francis stated last week, we worship the same God". In explaining the decision to place Dr. Hawkins on administrative leave the college referred to "significant questions regarding the theological implications" of her comments.[18] The two officially parted ways in February 2016.[51]
In March 2018 Charles Nagy, a former Wheaton College football player, sued the college and seven former teammates citing the school had attempted to cover up a hazing incident by his former teammates. In 2016, Nagy was kidnapped, and beaten by his former teammates, before being left on the baseball field in the middle of the night half-naked. Nagy was admitted into a nearby hospital and had been diagnosed with two labrum tears requiring surgery. Despite the controversy, three of the players identified were allowed to compete in the next football game.[52] Nagy cited in his complaints the college administration was aware of the tradition of hazing on the team, but took no action. Additional controversy began when the college issued a public statement condemning hazing, but hiring a third party investigator to discredit Nagy's account of the incident.[53] Four of the five players have pleaded not guilty to the charges.[54]
Wheaton College (Illinois)
Activism and controversy[edit]
Wheaton College has received criticism in recent years from both conservative and liberal alumni. Wheaton's acceptance of evolutionary biology in the science departments has proved controversial to some. Wheaton College was prominently featured in the 2001 PBS documentary Evolution, which showcased Wheaton professors' acceptance of theistic evolution.[41] On issues of religion and science, the college holds the view that religious teachings about God and modern science are not at odds.
On October 13, 2007, Wheaton College's Stanton L. Jones signed interfaith document "Loving God and Neighbor Together: A Christian Response to A Common Word Between Us and You," agreeing that Islam and Christianity can be at peace with each other.[42]
The school's mascot was changed from the Crusaders to the Thunder in 2000, as the image of a mounted Crusader was deemed potentially offensive and reminiscent of a controversial period in Christian history. The change was noted in the national press, and some alumni objected to the change. Other suggestions for a new mascot name that were rejected included the Mastodons — a reference to Perry Mastodon, which is a mastodon skeleton that was excavated nearby and is now on display on the college campus in the brand new science building. While still known as the "Thunder", in 2010 the mascot was officially changed to a mastodon named "Tor Thunder" to integrate the official and unofficial mascots.[43]
Wheaton again appeared in the news when Joshua Hochschild, assistant professor of philosophy, was dismissed in 2004 for becoming Roman Catholic.[44] Wheaton's president said his "personal desire" to retain Hochschild, "a gifted brother in Christ", was outweighed by his duty to employ "faculty who embody the institution's Protestant convictions".[45] In 2008, English professor Kent Gramm resigned after declining to give the college administration details of his pending divorce from his wife of 30 years.[46][47]
In 2011, a group of Wheaton alumni established OneWheaton, with the stated purpose of providing allied support to lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and similar students and alumni at Wheaton and other colleges.[48][49]
In July 2012, Wheaton College filed a lawsuit alongside The Catholic University of America in the Washington, D.C. District Court, opposing the Health and Human Services Preventative Services mandate. The mandate, which is a regulation under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, would force both institutions to provide access to emergency contraceptive drugs or pay severe fines.[50]
In December 2015 Wheaton College suspended tenured professor of political science Larycia Hawkins, who wrote "I stand in religious solidarity with Muslims because they, like me, a Christian, are people of the book. And as Pope Francis stated last week, we worship the same God". In explaining the decision to place Dr. Hawkins on administrative leave the college referred to "significant questions regarding the theological implications" of her comments.[18] The two officially parted ways in February 2016.[51]
In March 2018 Charles Nagy, a former Wheaton College football player, sued the college and seven former teammates citing the school had attempted to cover up a hazing incident by his former teammates. In 2016, Nagy was kidnapped, and beaten by his former teammates, before being left on the baseball field in the middle of the night half-naked. Nagy was admitted into a nearby hospital and had been diagnosed with two labrum tears requiring surgery. Despite the controversy, three of the players identified were allowed to compete in the next football game.[52] Nagy cited in his complaints the college administration was aware of the tradition of hazing on the team, but took no action. Additional controversy began when the college issued a public statement condemning hazing, but hiring a third party investigator to discredit Nagy's account of the incident.[53] Four of the five players have pleaded not guilty to the charges.[54]
Scott Downey
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They are also becoming infected, with the world's ways.
Daniel 7:25
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
SavedByGrace
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SavedByGrace
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maybe so, but this is how the attack starts, as is seen in very recent times by the likes of BLM, where they want to rewrite history, and have things their own way.
remembered the story wrong, but that tribe was very bad, and just shows to us as God grace can save and reddem any!
Aucas: The Worst People On Earth
SavedByGrace
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and YET God sent the Gospel to these, as He did to the Ninevites. Another fact that the Gospel of salvation is NOT just for the "elite" few.
No, just for his own elect in Christ!and YET God sent the Gospel to these, as He did to the Ninevites. Another fact that the Gospel of salvation is NOT just for the "elite" few.
SavedByGrace
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A friend of mine - elsewhere wrote this:
"I was offended by this until I read the article. If they put a new one back up with just the change from "savages" to something that equally conveys the sense of the fact that these were a murdering tribe of people, that is totally fine with me. But the interesting thing is that the tribe of Indians who killed these missionaries are called the Auca tribe - which is the native word for "savage". They named themselves savage."
I see no reason to change it!
"I was offended by this until I read the article. If they put a new one back up with just the change from "savages" to something that equally conveys the sense of the fact that these were a murdering tribe of people, that is totally fine with me. But the interesting thing is that the tribe of Indians who killed these missionaries are called the Auca tribe - which is the native word for "savage". They named themselves savage."
I see no reason to change it!
Please educate your friend:
Post-Gazette
"They were once known as 'Auca', a pejorative...coined by other tribes.
Their own name, 'true people', is...'Waodani'"
The headline is somewhat misleading, in that I think most people will take that to mean it is being removed completely, rather than changed and put back. I don't have much feeling about it one way or another, as far as the wording of the plaque is concerning. However, if the article itself is better than the headline, it sounds like a reaction to "cancel culture" style outrage: