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John 14:1-2 (KJV)
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Reformed1689
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Neither, that is a poor translation. Better translated many rooms.
timdabap
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what will we need rooms for in heaven ?
Reformed1689
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Why does Heaven need a wall, why are their gates? God has beautiful designs. Why does he have a throne? etc etc
timdabap
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It may seem so trivial a question and the temptation to dismiss it as such is strong.
But to my mind this is one scripture that is often made the starting point for dispensationalists and others.
If preaching is to make sense of what is written, this is a valid question.
why would we need mansions, rooms, dwelling places in a place where there are no thieves to break into our homes, no storms, tornados, or heavy weather that we have in this fallen place called time on earth, where we have no need for electricity because the Son being the Light there constantly we don't even have night or know day as we know it here.
I remember long ago one "theological" novel I read that described heaven as a place where there are dwelling places miles high and miles wide, all drawn from this one verse. Do you agree that's what heaven actually looks like based on the Savior using the term "many mansions" in His Father's house ?
I don't.
But I'd like to hear why you do.
But to my mind this is one scripture that is often made the starting point for dispensationalists and others.
If preaching is to make sense of what is written, this is a valid question.
why would we need mansions, rooms, dwelling places in a place where there are no thieves to break into our homes, no storms, tornados, or heavy weather that we have in this fallen place called time on earth, where we have no need for electricity because the Son being the Light there constantly we don't even have night or know day as we know it here.
I remember long ago one "theological" novel I read that described heaven as a place where there are dwelling places miles high and miles wide, all drawn from this one verse. Do you agree that's what heaven actually looks like based on the Savior using the term "many mansions" in His Father's house ?
I don't.
But I'd like to hear why you do.
canadyjd
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It is better translated “rooms” or “staying places” as mentioned earlier which was the meaning of “mansion” when the KJV was written.
Jesus had already referred to the Temple in Jerusalem as My Father’s House. He is speaking of the heavenly Temple here.
The Jewish priests only came to Jerusalem for a couple of weeks a year to do their priestly duties. You see that with John the Baptist’s father. While they were there, they stayed in small rooms at the Temple in order to have ready access to fulfill their duties of worship.
What Jesus is saying is that His followers will live in the Heavenly Temple as Priests with ready access and worship of God.
It would have been a great comfort to them to know they wouldn’t need an intermediary to come before God and worship.
It had a lasting influence on them and they understood it that way. Peter will tell his readers (and us) we are a “royal Priesthood”.
peace to you
Reformed1689
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???
timdabap
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timdabap
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yeah....poorly worded, I admit.
I mean, over here (not over there in the States} this verse almost always jumpstarted into weird exegesis. lol.
John 14:23 (NET)
Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and take up residence with him.
Here residence is used to translate the same Greek as rendered mansions or rooms at John 14:2. Thus the idea is we will have a place in heaven and not in Hades or the Lake of Fire.
Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and take up residence with him.
Here residence is used to translate the same Greek as rendered mansions or rooms at John 14:2. Thus the idea is we will have a place in heaven and not in Hades or the Lake of Fire.
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11 And every priest indeed standeth day by day ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, the which can never take away sins: Heb 10
The daily sacrifices never ceased until the Zealots took control during the civil war 66 AD.
Daily Sacrifice Ceased (AD 66) | International Preterist Association
canadyjd
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Sorry, I should have been more clear. There were always priests at the Temple doing their duties.
However, There were so many descendants of Levi, (priests) they couldn’t all work at the Temple at same time. So, they were on a rotating schedule for service at the Temple only a couple of weeks a year. You see that with John the Baptists father that was going up to the Temple for his time of service.
peace to you