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John 19:30 ...it is finished...
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riverm,
bmerr here. I have pondered this question myself. I believe "it" was the work of providing a way of salvation for mankind. The price of redemption was paid. That part of salvation's plan that could only be accomplished by God.
Some verses that I think shed light on what "it" was are:
John 4:34 - Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
John 5:36 - But I have a greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
John 9:4 - I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
John 10:25 - Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
John 17:4-5 - I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me do do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
That's my take on it. Hope it helps.
In Christ,
bmerr
bmerr here. I have pondered this question myself. I believe "it" was the work of providing a way of salvation for mankind. The price of redemption was paid. That part of salvation's plan that could only be accomplished by God.
Some verses that I think shed light on what "it" was are:
John 4:34 - Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
John 5:36 - But I have a greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
John 9:4 - I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
John 10:25 - Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
John 17:4-5 - I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me do do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
That's my take on it. Hope it helps.
In Christ,
bmerr
A Catholic co-worker of mine gave me a paper entitled “The Fourth Cup”. I can’t remember who wrote it because I threw it away. It scared me because it seemed to have made some sense.
Here’s what I remember:
Traditionally the Passover is celebrated with 4 cups of wine and hymns are sung. During the Last Supper Jesus passes a Cup around and says that He will not drink of the vine until He is in Glory, then they sing a hymn and then they leave.
Scholars agree that this cup was the third cup and a hymn followed the third cup, but the fourth cup was never drunk during the Last Supper.
Jesus, after his death sentence refused a drink while carrying the cross and after Christ was beaten to near death and had hung on the cross, He had the frame of mind to ask for a drink to fulfill the scriptures after He took the wine he said “it is finished.”
The author stated that Christ taking this drink completed the Passover. And that Christ was the Passover Lamb, whose bones weren’t broken.
The Author said that in Exodus that God commanded Moses to instruct the Hebrews to slaughter a lamb and wipe blood on the door posts and then eat the lamb and the death angel would Passover their house.
Now Christ during the Last Supper instituted the Mass by taking bread and comparing it to His body broken and the wine as blood shed for them.
The author then says that John in Revelation 5, I think, sees a lamb that looks as though it has been slain. And that Christ continually gives up His body during the Mass per John chapter 6. And the “it” in “it is finished” is the bloody sacrifice that if finished.
The author also states that the Mass is a prophecy fulfilled from Malachi 1:11 where there will be a pure offering offered among the Gentiles.
Any thoughts on this…
Blessings
Here’s what I remember:
Traditionally the Passover is celebrated with 4 cups of wine and hymns are sung. During the Last Supper Jesus passes a Cup around and says that He will not drink of the vine until He is in Glory, then they sing a hymn and then they leave.
Scholars agree that this cup was the third cup and a hymn followed the third cup, but the fourth cup was never drunk during the Last Supper.
Jesus, after his death sentence refused a drink while carrying the cross and after Christ was beaten to near death and had hung on the cross, He had the frame of mind to ask for a drink to fulfill the scriptures after He took the wine he said “it is finished.”
The author stated that Christ taking this drink completed the Passover. And that Christ was the Passover Lamb, whose bones weren’t broken.
The Author said that in Exodus that God commanded Moses to instruct the Hebrews to slaughter a lamb and wipe blood on the door posts and then eat the lamb and the death angel would Passover their house.
Now Christ during the Last Supper instituted the Mass by taking bread and comparing it to His body broken and the wine as blood shed for them.
The author then says that John in Revelation 5, I think, sees a lamb that looks as though it has been slain. And that Christ continually gives up His body during the Mass per John chapter 6. And the “it” in “it is finished” is the bloody sacrifice that if finished.
The author also states that the Mass is a prophecy fulfilled from Malachi 1:11 where there will be a pure offering offered among the Gentiles.
Any thoughts on this…
Blessings
Greetings
Where have you been? With Biblical perspecuity like this, we need to hear far more from you!
Lloyd
Stupdendous statement! There is no double jeopardy in God's heavenly courtroom. Rom 6:7 shows that sinners who believe in Jesus are permanently freed (justified) from their sin.
Where have you been? With Biblical perspecuity like this, we need to hear far more from you!
Lloyd
BobRyan
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In 1John 2:2 we are told that God gave Christ to be the "Atoning Sacrifice for OUR sins and NOT for OUR sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD". Surely that atoning sacrifice (central to the Gospel truth regarding atonement God specified in Lev 16) was "Finished" at the cross.
However as Matt 18 shows in its teaching on "forgiveness revoked" -- each debt of sin forgiven can be "revoked" so that the one forgiven must pay the exact amount formerly owed.
In Christ,
Bob
How sloppy can YOU get in your study of the Scriptures! The text has no pronoun (besides the point there is no "personal pronoun" involved). The Greek is one word meaning: "FINISHED". This "finished" has tremendous meaning in the New Testament (and also where used in the LXX). It means, "perfected", even "sealed" with an exclamation mark!
At that moment, remember - is it Matthew who says, the devil was cast out of heaven like lightning! This was "VICTORY", "TRIUMPH" - spoken of in Colossians 2:15. This was the proleptic ANNOUNCEMENT of "the EXCEEDING GREATNESS OF HIS POWER WHICH HE WORKED WHEN HE RAISED CHRIST FROM THE DEAD" - Ephesians 1:19. This is all those "works of the Father" given Christ "finished", Christ in FAITH tretching across death and grave to the day and moment of His being raised by the "POWER" given Him to "take up my life again". This, is "Jesus ... He that is ENTERED INTO HIS REST" - Christ, who "hath ceased from His own works as God".
Jesus' victory in death is inseparable from His victory in resurrection from death. The word, "Finished!" spells "THE DEATH OF DEATH IN THE DEATH OF CHRIST" - John Owen.
"FINISHED!" is the grand theme of the Gospel. "FINISHED!" spells Jesus' resurrection - the taking up of His life again. Eschatology is it! - eschatology the essence of every bit of true Christianity - as Karl Barth (again) has said: Christianity that is not totally and unreservedly eschatology totally and unreservedly has nothing to do with Christ! CHRIST IS THE ESCHATOS; HE, IS THE TELOS: "FINISHED!"
No wander Hebrews 4:9 says that's why the Sabbath's keeping remains valid for God's People. The Gospel is about celebrating God's finished works in, through, and for reason and the sake of Jesus Christ and HE, in resurrection from the dead - that's all!
No wander Hebrews 4:9 says that's why the Sabbath's keeping remains valid for God's People. The Gospel is about celebrating God's finished works in, through, and for reason and the sake of Jesus Christ and HE, in resurrection from the dead - that's all!
Is it not significant that just after this word "FINISHED!", it is said in verse 31, "And it was the PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER"! God's Passover CLIMAXED "the third day according to the Scriptures" on the Day of the "First Sheaf Wave Offer Before the LORD". God's Passover - REDEMPTION - was "FINISHED" with THIS day, NOW in Christ, guaranteed, in that He would rise again and be exalted to the right hand of the power of God in heavenly places.
To riverm, who said, "...The author also states that the Mass is a prophecy fulfilled from Malachi 1:11 where there will be a pure offering offered among the Gentiles. Any thoughts on this…"
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hillclimber
New Member
I have completed my work and your sin debt is paid in full.
"It is finished" There is nothing more that can be done. The atoning work of Christ is finished. There is nothing that man can add to it: not baptism, not confirmation, not church membership, not any kind of religious rite; nothing. Christ paid the full penalty of our sins. His work on the cross is finished, completely. No need for purgatory, no need for baptism! The only thing left to do is to accept the finished work of Christ by faith and faith alone.
DHK
DHK
Amen! (I even subscribe to your remark concerning water-baptism.) "FINISHED" is an inclusive concept: It includes "ALL the works of God", so that it includes Jesus' resurrection first and foremost; and then as well the baptism of Jesus: the baptism of regeneration - the work and gift of the Holy Spirit, the gift of grace, namely faith that believes in Christ and in HIS finished work, "to-us-ward", as Tyndale put it in Eph.1:19f.