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John 6:65 (NASB)
And He was saying, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”

John 6:65 (NIV)
He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”

Now the Greek word translated as granted by the NASB, enabled by the NIV, and given by the KJV is "didōmi" (Strong's G1325). It means to give or let someone have something, and does not include it its meaning whether the one being given or allowed to obtain something is otherwise able to obtain it. Thus "enabled" is an agenda driven mistranslation.

The idea based on the context of John 6:65 is a person cannot come to faith in Christ, unless God allows him or her to believe. Thus if God has chosen to harden a person's heart, as depicted in Romans 11, then that person cannot come to Jesus.

Some of Christ's followers actually did not believe Christ was the Messiah, and Jesus knew who did not believe, whether able to or not, and who would betray Him and was not able to believe because He had been hardened to be the "betrayer." Thus no one can come to faith in Christ unless (1) they have not hardened their hearts like soil #1 in Matthew 13, and (2) they have not been hardened by God for His purpose as in Romans 11, and (3) God has revealed the Gospel through His witnesses and hey were receptive and open to good news of the gospel. Recall that some receive the gospel with joy, but no deep commitment, and others also receive the gospel but do not make Christ the overriding priority of their lives. Thus no one can come to Christ unless it has been granted or allowed by our sovereign God.

 

The Godless left silence and harass those holding differing view. Discussing controversial passages that many do not actually understand is edifying. Rather than finding fault with the discussion of the correct understanding of John 6:65, please disclose if you do, what you disagree with in the opening post.

 

"Christ commands us to believe in him, and there is nothing false or contrary to this command in the statement which he afterwards makes: "No man can come to me , except it were given him of my Father," John 6:65. Let preaching then have it's free course, that it may lead men to faith, and dispose them to persevere with uninterrupted progress. Nor at the same time, let there be any obstacle to the knowledge of predestination, so that those who obey may not plume themselves on anything of their own, but glory only in the Lord. It is not without cause our Savior says, "Who has ears to hear, let him hear," (Mt. 13:9). Therefore, while we exhort and preach, those who have ears willingly obey: in those again, who have no ears is fulfilled what is written: "Hear ye indeed, but understand not," (Isaiah 6:9). 'But why (says Augustine) have some ears, and others not? Who has known the mind of the Lord? Are we therefore, to deny what is plain because we cannot comprehend what is hid?" (Calvin)

 

Scarlett, how many threads are moved here because they offer Calvinist views.

Consider "The Election of God" it was not moved.
Consider "Why Do Conditionalists Contradict Themselves and Pray to God for Salvation? It was not moved.

Obviously I could post dozens. Hopefully in the future one side of an issue will not be able to manipulate the system.

 

Why is it you complain about me, but do not address all the pro-Calvinism threads not on this forum?

Folks, Calvinists have no basis for their man-made doctrine so they silence and harass anti-Calvinism posters.

Did this poster address the topic, John 6:65? Nope

Can John 3:16 be addressed anywhere but here?

Can John 6:29 be addressed anywhere but here?

Can 2 Thessalonians 2:13 be addressed anywhere but here?

Is there a list of verses that cannot be addressed on the bible study forum? Nope

SAD

 

2 Thessalonians 2:13 What does it say?

The above is a pro-Calvinism thread NOT moved to this forum.

Folks, why are threads posted by pro-Calvinists treated one way, but threads offering the alternate view are said to need to be moved because of "two decades of unresolved debates?"

 

Folks, yet another Calvinist is addressing me, and not the topic. Will this violation of forum decorum be addressed or will the tactics leading to "unresolved debates" be accepted.

 

Yes, the snipped was posted by you, but you were quoting Calvin. I just posted the snippet and not your views and I made no claim about you personally.

Here is what I said, "Did this poster [AVL1984] address the topic, John 6:65? Nope"

 

1) Is being attracted to Christ because of Christ's lovingkindness as demonstrated by undergoing crucifixion the same as God transferring someone spiritually into Christ's spiritual body? No, of course not! Calvinism conflates Christ becoming the means of salvation by dying on the cross, with Christ salvation of individuals transferred into Him.

2) Psalms 110:3 is an obscure and ambiguous verse. One way to at least find how some understand the verse is to look at the more dynamic rather than formal translations. Here is the NLT of Psalms 110:3:

NLT
When you go to war, your people will serve you willingly. You are arrayed in holy garments, and your strength will be renewed each day like the morning dew. ​

Nothing in the verse say the volunteers were compelled to volunteer

3) Ezkiel 36:26-27 does not say or suggest people are drawn by giving them a new heart. People are given (transferred into Christ) where they are born anew as new creations with a new heart.

4) Therefore none of the claimed verses support the fiction that people are dragged into faith by Irresistible Grace.

 

1) The idea based on the context of John 6:65 is a person cannot come to faith in Christ, unless God allows him or her to believe. Thus if God has chosen to harden a person's heart, as depicted in Romans 11, then that person cannot come to Jesus.

Some of Christ's followers actually did not believe Christ was the Messiah, and Jesus knew who did not believe, whether able to or not, and who would betray Him and was not able to believe because He had been hardened to be the "betrayer."

Thus no one can come to faith in Christ unless:

(a) they have not hardened their hearts like soil #1 in Matthew 13, and

(b) they have not been hardened by God for His purpose as in Romans 11, and

(c) God has revealed the Gospel through His witnesses and hey were receptive and open to good news of the gospel. Recall that some receive the gospel with joy, but no deep commitment, and others also receive the gospel but do not make Christ the overriding priority of their lives. Thus no one can come to Christ unless it has been granted or allowed by our sovereign God. ​

2) So anyone not blocked from believing can believe in Christ.

3) No one said or suggested anyone needs "advanced faithfulness" to trust in Christ. However, if a person's faith is not deeply rooted, i.e. not superficial, or the person's faith does not make Christ their overriding priority, it is unlikely God will credit their "faith" as righteousness.