John MacArthur and Dispensationalism

Here's more concerning is new book: http://www.americanvision.org/bwarchive/Near_06-07.pdf

 

Lou:

With all due respects to you, this is getting to be ridiculous.
Here we are trying to disprove fellow Christians and their theologies and doctrines.
I think the main issues of separation, or main bones of contention, should be on how each other view the person of Christ, the work of Christ, the Deity and Humanity of Christ, the Virgin Birth of Christ, the Blood of Christ, and such essentials of the Faith, and therein base our separation from each other, HERE ON EARTH.
I say here on earth, because there is not one of your cited scholars, or mine, or others on this board, or any other board, who can say with all honesty and surety, that THEIRS (and of course, ours) is "gotten right" all the way.
John Mc'Arthur, John Piper, Rc Sproul, Spurgeon, Newton, Isaac Watts, John Gill, or any Old or New Calvinist does not have it all right.
Neither do any of my people, the Primitive Baptists, have it all pat and right to the t.
Same thing goes for you, Chuck Swindoll, Arminius, Lawrence Welkins, Scoffield, and the others.
We can't go chasing after one another like posses hot on the trail of outlaws.
Paul didn't, as far as I can understand.
He spoke out against abusiveness and dictatorship of brethren like Alexander the coppersmith and the likes, true, but above all he spoke out against gnosticsm which was what was creeping into the church.
Calvinism or Lordship Salvation or non-Lordship salvation is hardly comparable to gnosticism.
Makes me wonder why you would like to see Mc'Arthur condemned by others in Christendom.
Same way it makes me wonder why somebody here seems to have made it his personal mission to portray Calvinists as inept, stupid, corrupt, devil's armies.

 

"All due respect" but I think we ALL need to know what the "Gospel" is, was, and how God reveals Himself in the context of time.

You may think this is irrelevant -- but then Calvies only know one covenant and then they can't even find it once in the Bible!

pinoy -- the gospel is revelation. Dispensation, too, is God's revelation of Himself in time. Pls consider that every age isn't "Christian." Believers, yes -- Christians, no.

skypair

 

skypair:

as usual, hieroglyphics (sp?) will probably be easier to study and to understand than your statements.
you say and have said a lot of things about Calvinists and Calvinism that the really honest peruser can not but say that you have venom in you towards them.
Until you learn to be more Christian to your Calvinist brethren, I do not wish to be bothered by your nightmarish assertions.
May this coming New Year find you a better Christian.
Goodbye.

 

Ha-Ha! :laugh: God's still growing me! I'm much better about not attacking Calvinists than when I first got here.

On the other hand, there are some "fragile spirits" here who think they are under personal attack when it is even suggested that they could be wrong. Calvinism is a system of human-inspired theology attempting to explain the Bible. Therefore, it uses the Bible to create its tenets.

But there are 2 problems: 1) Systems of theology are "models" created through trial and error. Yeah, Catholicism was a flawed model. But when the errors in Calvinism become obvious, the proponents themselves often say, "Well that wasn't critical to the whole" and become 4 pointers or 3 pointers. They never consider that the whole system was fitted together with carefully defined terms and one defective part destroys the whole "system." And the fact that there are weaknesses ought to say loud and clear, "We need a NEW model."

2) God doesn't need man to build more elaborate religions again (like Judaism became in the OT). He doesn't need man "carving little franchises"* out of His word under which they alone know the truth and are saved to the exclusion of those who disagree. Tha gospel is pretty simple -- for simple folks like me!

Anyway, don't take it personally. These remarks are not directed at you.

skypair


* I agree all denoms do this -- even SBC with their obsession with water baptism for membership.

 

If you click on one of the links in this article you come to:

http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/dispen/sermon.htm

This is what makes me turn my back on Dispensationalism, the claim that parts of the Bible do not apply to us today. In this case, the author is saying that the sermon on the mount is to be ignored by modern day Christians. I've seen more radical statements which claim that none of the four gospels which contain the words of Christ while He was on earth apply to us. This is not the gospel message but a severe distortion of it.

 

Do you keep the sabbath? Still do animal sacrifices?

 

Answering your question, I believe in the first and second covenants. Do you accept the words of Jesus Christ Himself as having meaning for your life?

 

Once again, Lou Martuneac is making baseless allegations against John MacArthur. At this point, everyone should consider these allegations to be an intentional and malicious smear of J.Mac’s character.

All anyone has to do is look at what MacArthur posts on his website to find out what he believes and teaches.

When you go there, you will find that Lou Martuneac’s allegations are easily demonstrated to be false by comparing what he accuses MacArthur of believing and teaching with what J.Mac actually believes and teaches.


This is a sermon explaining regeneration from MacArthur’s view. http://www.gty.org/Resources/Transcripts/90-297

It’s long, but it’s a good read. You will clearly see how Lou Martuneac has misrepresented MacArthur. For example, you will find that MacArthur goes into great pains to demonstrate from scripture that regeneration precedes faith. Of course, you don't have to agree with him. But to claim his position is "extra-biblical" is pure nonsense. He bases every doctrine on scripture.

This is from MacArthur’s doctrinal statement, concerning salvation.
http://www.gty.org/MeetGTY/DoctrinalStatement
Notice how MacArthur affirms that salvation is completely a work of God, and that men can do nothing to earn their salvation.

For Lou Martuneac to claim John MacArthur teaches a "works-based" salvation that frustrates grace is laughable on it's face.

This is from MacArthur’s statement on Lordship Salvation. He calls these “fundamentals” of evangelical teaching.

http://www.gty.org/Resources/Articles/2439

Again, you can clearly see that MacArthur rejects the notion of "pre-conditions" for salvation, or that anyone can earn their salvation.

In truth, MacArthur holds a more extensive view of God's grace than Lou Martuneac, since he believes that even regeneration and faith are gifts of God's grace. (he supports these statements with scripture as well)

Lou Martuneac is swimming in an ocean of intellectual dishonesty. I am shining the light of truth on his outrageous smear of John MacArthur.

Lou Martuneac, I urge you to swim out of your ocean of intellectual dishonesty toward the light of truth. When you reach the shores of intellectual honesty, illuminated by the light of God's Word, your only response can be to repent of your intentional smear of John MacArthur and then write a book praising MacArthur's insights into scripture.

peace to youraying:

 

Redeem The Time Lou

 

Right, and you are completely objective. No presuppositions. Yeh, I believe that. :laugh:

 

Let's take a look at Gal. 2:20: "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God who loved me, and delivered Himself up for me."

Looks like John MacArthur is telling us the same thing as the Apostle Paul concerning Lordship Salvation. "I have been crucified with Christ; It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life I live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God..."

"No longer I who live, but Christ lives in me..." That sounds like Paul is saying Jesus is the Lord of his life.

Lou Martuneac's intellectual dishonesty knows no limits. The very verses of scripture he quotes to support his smear of MacArthur, actually supports John MacArthur's teachings on Lordship Salvation.

What is clear is that Lou Martuneac is shameless in his smear of John MacArthur. Consider this statement from Lou Martuneac concerning MacArthur:

This, in spite of John MacArthur's clear and repeated teaching to the contrary:Once again, from MacArthur's website:

#4 "God requires no preparatory works or pre-salvation reformation"

I choose to ignore Lou Martuneac's personal attacks on me and my motivations. He cannot answer MacArthur's clear and biblical presentation of doctrine, so he tries to change the subject to me. Another tactic of an intellectually dishonest person.

However, the light of truth keeps shining brighter. The more Lou Martuneac posts, the more his intellectual dishonesty is put on display for all to see.

peace to youraying:

 

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triple post,

 

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oops, double post.