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John Wesley and the Methodist

rockytopva

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John Wesley didn't desire for Methodism to be a denomination but a group of people who loved the Lord within a denomination. So a true Methodist may attend an Orthodox, Catholic, Baptist, Pentecostal, Anglican, Presbyterian, or some other denomination and still be a Methodist...


London, September 20, 1788

To The Reverend Francis Asbury:

There is, indeed, a wide difference between the relation that you stand with the Americans, and the relation where I stand with all Methodists. You are the elder brother of the American Methodists: I am, under God, the Father of the whole family. Therefore I naturally care for you all in a manner no other persons can do. Therefore, I, in a measure, provide for you all, for the supplies which Dr Coke provides for you, he could not provide, were it not for me, were it not only permit him to collect, but also support him in so doing.

But, in one point, my dear brother, I am a little afraid, both the Dr and you differ from me. I study to be little, you study to be great. I creep, you strut along. I found a school, you a College! Nay, and call it after your own names! O beware! Do not seek to be something! Let me be nothing and “Christ be all in all!”

One instance of this, of your greatness, has given me great concern. How can you, how dare you, suffer yourself to be called Bishop? I shudder, I start at the very thought! Men may call me a knave or a fool, a rascal, a scoundrel, and I am content: But they shall never, by my consent, call me Bishop! For my sake, for God’s sake, for Christ’s sake, put a full end to this! Let the Presbyterians do what they please, but let the Methodist know their calling better. Thus, my dear Franky, I have told you all that is in my heart. And let this, when I am no more seen, bear witness how sincerely I am your affectionate friend and brother.

John Wesley

Noting:
1. He didn't call him 'Bishop Asbury.'
2. Cokesbury College - The name is formed from its two founders, Coke and Asbury.
 

mminer237

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I think that letter is solely about Wesley's disapproval of Methodists having bishops. He wanted all Methodist to use the presbyterian connexional system as they did in England. He definitely wanted Methodism to just be a society in the Church of England, but he did eventually consent to the ordination of American superintendents and thus the creation of a new denomination.

Even aside from that, I'm not sure how it could have spread to other denominations even if it remained a overlapping society. Wesleyan theology is quite different from all of those denominations.

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Walter

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John and Charles Wesley both died Anglican priests and wished to reform The Church of England.
 

Walter

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I wonder what they would say about the Anglican and Methodists churches of today?

Exactly!! Most Anglicans in the world today are in Africa. The Anglican church there is faithful to scripture and growing rapidly. It is interesting that the Church has always prospered under persecution. This is true even back in the early days of the Church. The Church of England has a very small number in attendance except the churches in the evangelical wing. African Anglicans lay down their lives along with other Christians each day. I heard of groups that walk together on their way to church and the person in the group that carries the bible knows that they are the target. Voice of the Martyrs brings us the reality that many Christians live in each day. Our whining about how bad we American Christians are persecuted pales in comparison to what these people risking their lives for the sake of Jesus Christ everyday.

It has been the African bishops in the Methodist church that has kept the LGBTXYZ agenda from overtaking the Methodist Assembly each time they meet. It now seems even their protests will no longer keep the liberal agenda out of the Methodism.
 
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