Just As I Am (God So Loved The World)

[reformedbeliever]

This thread started with Gordon questioning the salvation, and bashing an historical Baptist view of salvation. Now two freewillers have questioned the salvation of reformed brothers... since bro. bob questioned mine... or actually told me I'm lost. Did any of the reformed tradition question their salvation? Lets get real.... where are the mods?

 

[Brother Bob]

Oh, I apoligize for saying you need to be born again but not that you need to repent.
You ran Brandon off and I wanted to talk with him. I might of learned something. With you that is impossible.

 

[Brandon C. Jones]

Please don't speak for me Bob, I haven't been run off by anyone. I'm not sure where the hate comes from on both sides. I guess it could be Satan's method of divide and conquer (a method that has worked all too well against modern Christianity). I don't know what the keys talk is about and I don't know about your history with fellow boardmembers.

However, in this thread the OP is full of hate in my opinion so it seems both sides have their ugly participants at one time or another. It's unfortunate too and conduct unbecoming of Christ not matter what your theological bents are.

 

[Brother Bob]

Please don't speak for me Bob, I haven't been run off by anyone. I'm not sure where the hate comes from on both sides. I guess it could be Satan's method of divide and conquer (a method that has worked all too well against modern Christianity). I don't know what the keys talk is about and I don't know about your history with fellow boardmembers.

Granted you can speak for yourself and as far as my history with fellow boardmembers probably not much different than anyone else's when they confront a Calvinist, so if you don't mind I will handle that part of it.

 

[webdog]

However, unlike those who deny God's sovereign rule, we acknowledge that God draws to Himself those who are His sheep (Jn 10:27-28) and that those the Father has given to the Son will come to the Son (Jn 6:37-39).

As a non calvinist I believe this too, and DO NOT deny God's sovereign rule. The difference lies in the fact I won't read into what the passage is NOT saying.

The calvinist believes John 10:27-28 is saying "Those who are not His sheep are not drawn" and from John 6:44 "Those who don't come to the Son were never drawn". The converse and inverse are assumed as immutable truth, when in fact they are not.

==This statement proves, beyond any doubt, that you have no clue what calvinism (so-called) really teaches. Calvinism focuses on the Lord and His sovereign rule in salvation. That can't be humanistic. Your position, known as Semi-Pelagianism, is nothing but humanism. You try to add human will and effort to salvation. Salvation is of the Lord.

Brother, you show you have no clue what non calvinists believe. You state calvinism focuses on the Lord and His sovereign rule. Why, then, all of the calvinist theologian avatars? Constant references to the "who's who" of calvinists? Threads on "______ is a calvinistic month" with birthday's of the "who's who's"? It does breed arrogance and pride. All one has to do is go throught the threads posted by the likes of calvinists on the BB and this is evident. Calvinism focuses on sovereignty all right, at the expense of His righteousness.

==Dr Vines, while a fine man and teacher, is confused on this issue. As is Ergun Caner, Emir Caner, Jerry Falwell, Paige Patterson, and the late Adrian Rodgers. I would advise anyone who wants to know the truth about the doctrines of grace to read the writings of John Newton, Johnathan Edwards, James White, John MacArthur, and Tom Ascol (among others). These men know what they are talking about. If you listen to people like Vines (etc) you are not going to get a true picture of the doctrines of grace.

Nothing but personal opinion and preference. YOU say the above are confused and the other men "know what they are talking about". Did the Holy Spirit fail the first group? Is the minority (roughly 10%) of pastors the only ones not confused? I bet...

 

[rsr]

Everyone needs to chill out for a bit. I am heartily sick of the constant name calling, ad hominem attacks and lack of grace on this subject. It does nothing to edify the body of Christ or the world at large.