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JUSTIN MARTYR held the Doctrine of Original Sin & THE IMPOTENCE OF MAN’S FREE WILL

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Alan Gross, Jul 5, 2020.

  1. Alan Gross

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    JUSTIN. A. D. 150.

    JUSTIN MARTYR held the doctrine of original sin; he says that “mankind by Adam fell under death, and the deception of the serpent; that ... ‘we are born sinners;’ and that we are entirely flesh, and no good thing dwells in us; he asserts the weakness and disability of men either to understand or perform spiritual things, and denies that man, by the natural sharpness of his wit, can attain to the knowledge of divine things, or by any innate power in him save himself, and procure eternal life.” In one of his treatises, speaking of the doctrines of the Scriptures, he has these words; ... for neither by nature, nor by human understanding, is it possible for men to acquire the knowledge of things so great and so divine;’ but by a free gift descending from heaven upon holy men, who had no need of the art of words, nor of the contentious and vain-glorious way of speaking, but to exhibit themselves pure to the energy of the divine Spirit.” And as for himself, he could say, “I do not study to show an apparatus of words by mere art alone, for I have no such power,... but grace alone is given to me by God to understand his Scriptures.” He bids Trypho pray that “above all things the gates of light might be opened to him.” for neither are they seen nor known by all, ... unless God and his Christ give them to understand, them.’”

    And in another place he says “At that time being convicted by our own works that we were unworthy of life, and manifested that of ourselves, ... it was impossible to enter into the kingdom of God, by the power of God we might be made able.” And a little after he says, “Having sometime before convinced us ... of the impossibility of our nature to obtain life, hath now shown us the Savior, who is able to save that which otherwise were impossible to be saved.”

    ... man through his free will is now become a slave; which is stating in a few words the doctrine of free will, as held by us; for he expressly says, apolesen emas to autezousion, douloi gegonamen oi eleutheroi dia ten amartian emprathemen, “free will has destroyed us; we who were free are become servants, and for our sin are sold.” Theophilus of Antioch also says, that God made man possessed of free will, but then he represents him now as impotent and standing in need of the grace of God: “They that know not God, and do wickedly,” he says, “are like to birds who have wings, but are not able to fly; no such men creep upon the ground, and mind earthly things, katabaroumenoi upo ton amartion, ‘ and being pressed down by their sins,’ cannot move upward unto God.” He expresses his sense which he himself had of the need of divine grace, as well as how necessary it was to others to know the truth, and understand the mind and will of God, when he says, ego di aitoumai charin para ton monou Theou, “‘ I desire grace from God alone,’ that I may exactly explain the whole truth according to his will; as also that thou, and every one that reads these things, odegetai upo tes aletheias kai tharitos autou, might be guided by his truth and grace.”
     
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    JD731 Well-Known Member

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    It is not a sin to be born. Anyone who thinks it is is crippled too high for crutches. Sin is defined as the transgression of the law and the scripture says where there is no law there is no transgression. Maybe we should add an eleventh command “thou shalt not be born” to accommodate such a weird idea.
     
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    Maybe, "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" Romans 5:12.

    Without sin there would be no death.

    Why will you die?

    You think you Perfectly Keep God's Universal Moral Law of The 10 Commandments.

    That is what the 10 Commandments are Given for; to show you you are a Transgressor.

    You were born a Transgressor and then, Naturally, Transgressed in action.

    You are a born sinner, as a great grandchild of Adam.
     
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    None of these things is the issue. They are red wheels. I quoted you what the scriptures define sin as being. If it is a sin to be born then a dog is just as sinful as a little baby. Both have the same concept of their own reality, which is none. A person cannot sin unless they have intellect, reason, and will. A dog will never have all three, but a child will.

    Here is the process of a sin and the results from the scriptures, which trumps Calvin, Luther, and all those other men who denies what God says.

    James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

    14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

    15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

    16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

    Go ahead and explain that away and continue in your lack of knowing the scriptures if that is your pleasure, but don't expect all of us to fall for ridiculous doctrines that are put forth by men who rest in their own intellect.

    And, in Romans 5 the scripture says in Adam, that is in his family, death passed upon all men. It did not say sin passed upon all men. Why did death pass upon all men? Because all men have sinned. When did they sin? When they had the law because the scripture goes on to say sin is not imputed when there is no law. So, Rom 5 is in 3 time zones. First from Adam to Moses. Second from Moses to Jesus during which time the Law of Moses was written on tables of stone. Third, after Jesus, the time zone in which Paul wrote these things and the gift of righteousness, the Spirit, was given through him to believers in him and the power of sin and death was taken away.

    If your religion does not see the wonderful Lord Jesus, the saviour of our soul, on every page of his book then you need to change religions and get right with God.
     
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