King James only question

[Arbo]

I'm new here, so bear with my seemingly basic question. What are the reasons to hold to a pro King James only opinion and to have the view that others are invalid? I'd like to understand why this belief held.

I've not attended seminary, so bear that in mind if you reply.

I've no desire to start a round of bickering. It seems like there's enough already.

Thanks.

 

[annsni]

Have you tried a search on "King James" or "KJVO" or something like that here? There ARE a few members who are KJVO here but not many because the board does not support that position. Have you looked at outside sources? I know there are a TON out there that explain their view.

 

[stilllearning]

Hello Arbo and welcome

I am KJBO, but I do not really agree with your description of me.

I don’t hold other translations as invalid, at all.
But I do believe that God has preserved a perfect copy of His Word for English speaking people.

My only complaint, has been with the practice of regularly using more than one English translation: But people can do what they want.
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On another part of this forum a preacher said.......

“I believe in the perfect inspiration of Scripture” (http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=69017)

Now this isn’t saying very much, because it says nothing about today.

I also believe in the perfect inspiration of Scripture, but I also believe in the perfect preservation of Scripture.
(What sense does one make, without the other!) None!
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For me, being KJBO means a person is respecting God’s Word enough, to give Him credit for being able to perfectly preserve it.

 

[Arbo]

Annsni- No, I've not. Thanks for the suggestion.

 

[Arbo]

But I do believe that God has preserved a perfect copy of His Word for English speaking people.

Please elaborate. I'm interested. Why is the KJV the 'perfect' copy?

 

[stilllearning]

Hello again Arbo

You ask.........

“Please elaborate. I'm interested. Why is the KJV the 'perfect' copy?”

That is a very interesting question; You didn’t ask “how” it can be perfect, but “why” it is perfect.
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The reason we “have to have” a perfect copy of God’s Word, is because God loves us and tells us that we need His Word to grow in Him........
2 Timothy 3:16-17
V.16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
V.17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Plus He told us that He would perfectly preserve His Word for us.

As for why I choose to accept the KJB as God’s perfect Copy of His Word in English....
Well as I have said many times, this one English Bible, has been accepted as God’s perfectly preserved Word, by millions more Spirit filled Christians, than any other English Bible.

But also, it is the only English Bible, that is considered “perfect”, by anybody.

In all my years as a Christian, I have never met anyone that truly believed that any of the modern versions they used, were “perfect”!
But I have personally met hundreds of Godly Christian men and women, who would take a stand on the perfection of the KJB.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Mulberry bush time again...

 

[Logos1560]

As for why I choose to accept the KJB as God’s perfect Copy of His Word in English....
Well as I have said many times, this one English Bible, has been accepted as God’s perfectly preserved Word, by millions more Spirit filled Christians, than any other English Bible.

The preserved Scriptures existed before 1611, and they were translated into English before 1611. The 1560 Geneva Bible was the loved, accepted, believed, and read Bible of true English-speaking believers before the KJV ever existed.

Where is the documentation that supports your above claims? Does the fact that millions have bought copies of the KJV and may have read it prove that all those millions held a man-made KJV-only view? Does the fact that hundreds of people assert something is true prove that it is prove? Does the opinions or experiences of people establish truth?

 

[Logos1560]

But also, it is the only English Bible, that is considered “perfect”, by anybody.

How do you know?

I know of another English Bible that someone claimed was inspired or perfect.

 

[Salty]

May I come from the opposite side. I am a KJBYT (KJV by tradition) I grew up with the KJV, I've memorized many verses from the KJV - but I do not believe it is a perfect translation.
Previously it was stated that the KJV has been accepted by more than any other Bible. Could that be in part because the King said it would be the "Authorized" Version. (also using that reasoning - Chinese would be the perfect language)

Did you know that the Pilgrims choice of Bible was the Geneva Bible? From the link: But there was an earlier version – one not sanctioned by the government – the 1599 Geneva Bible (bold - my emphasis)
You will find this very interesting - History of the English Bible

Bible Bap of Sharon, Tn; published this


IF THE KING JAMES VERSION IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE APOSTLE PAUL, ITS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.

 

[robycop3]

Please elaborate. I'm interested. Why is the KJV the 'perfect' copy?

Actually, it's NOT, except in the minds of some KJVOs. Valid, yes; perfect, no.

 

[BobinKy]

Mulberry bush time again...

OK--how does this sound?

Actually, the plant is a tree rather than a bush, as can be seen on this video.

And for those wanting to grow your own mulberry tree.

...Bob

 

[TCassidy]

Yes, the KJV is perfect. Complete, mature, nothing lacking that is necessary to the whole. But the same thing can be said of all English translations, with a few notable exceptions.

However, with that said I believe the KJV, and other English bibles translated from the same (Byzantine) textform, are slightly superior to the English versions translated from the Alexandrian textform. But that superiority is minor (and usually quite grammatically technical) in nature and with a couple of exceptions does not substantially change the meaning of the text.

I would rather you live according to the teachings of the worst English version than believe the KJV is best but ignore its teachings as so many KJVOs do.

 

[BobinKy]

Now for my serious post.

I am not KJBO (King James Bible Only), but I am KJBP (King James Bible Preferred). I use three translations: KJB, NRSV, and NIV 1984, in that order.

ARBO, despite my earlier funny post, I think you have asked an important question. A question I am seriously researching on another website: www.baptist1611.com, which has lots of KJBO articles and posts.

Questions about what some KJBOs consider to be the perfect Bible can be researched at www.bibleprotector.com, a website from Australia.

An innocent question about what all the KJBO and anti-KJBO brouhaha is about often leads to other issues, which I do not have the time to list. Again, despite my previous funny post with the mulberry bush / mulberry tree, this is a very serious question and either lies at the center of one's faith or in left field, depending upon which doctrinal level the issue resides for the believer.

For me, as I said, I am King James Bible Preferred. I begin my Bible study or devotional time by reading the NIV 1984, then on to the NRSV, and wrapping up with the KJB. I conclude with the KJB because I place the KJB as a higher authority than the other two translations I read. Also, I strongly favor translations that do well with the spoken word since I like to read aloud Bible passages and sing (or chant) the Psalms and other poetical sections of the Bible.

ARBO, I hope you take the time to research the question. And after you think you know all of the issues, research again--please!

If for no other reason than the upcoming 400th anniversary of the King James Bible. Check out another thread here on BB: King James Bible on Fox News.

I know I plan on learning all I can about the King James Bible Only question during the upcoming 400th anniversary.

Arbo, thank you for asking.

...Bob

 

[robycop3]

There are several valid English translations "out there" I recommend everyone use the one(s) he/she is comfortable with. Any and all "one versionism" doctrines are products of man, & are not found in Scripture by the slightest quark of the slightest implication.

If you're most comfortable with the KJV, fine. If you're most comfortable with the HCSB, fine, If you're most comfortable with the Geneva Bible, fine. (I use the NKJV the most, but I also use the KJV, Geneva, NASV, & NIV.)

 

[preacher4truth]

There are several valid English translations "out there" I recommend everyone use the one(s) he/she is comfortable with. Any and all "one versionism" doctrines are products of man, & are not found in Scripture by the slightest quark of the slightest implication.

If you're most comfortable with the KJV, fine. If you're most comfortable with the HCSB, fine, If you're most comfortable with the Geneva Bible, fine. (I use the NKJV the most, but I also use the KJV, Geneva, NASV, & NIV.)

If the NASB was good enough for the Apostle Peter, then it's good enough for me!!!


:thumbs:

 

[David Lamb]

IF THE KING JAMES VERSION IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE APOSTLE PAUL, ITS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.

I heard someone actually say that to me in all seriousness! When I gently tried to remind him that the English language was not even in existence in Paul's time, he said, "It must have been, otherwise we wouldn't have a bible!" :tongue3:

 

[glfredrick]

Hello again Arbo

You ask.........


That is a very interesting question; You didn’t ask “how” it can be perfect, but “why” it is perfect.
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The reason we “have to have” a perfect copy of God’s Word, is because God loves us and tells us that we need His Word to grow in Him........
2 Timothy 3:16-17
V.16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
V.17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Plus He told us that He would perfectly preserve His Word for us.

As for why I choose to accept the KJB as God’s perfect Copy of His Word in English....
Well as I have said many times, this one English Bible, has been accepted as God’s perfectly preserved Word, by millions more Spirit filled Christians, than any other English Bible.

But also, it is the only English Bible, that is considered “perfect”, by anybody.

In all my years as a Christian, I have never met anyone that truly believed that any of the modern versions they used, were “perfect”!
But I have personally met hundreds of Godly Christian men and women, who would take a stand on the perfection of the KJB.

Interesting... If you are going to highlight the words "ALL SCRIPTURE" in 2 Tim 3:16, then you would have to revise your position, for you seem to indicate that just SOME Scripture is actually inspired. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[DHK]

Interesting... If you are going to highlight the words "ALL SCRIPTURE" in 2 Tim 3:16, then you would have to revise your position, for you seem to indicate that just SOME Scripture is actually inspired. :smilewinkgrin:

The KJVO would have to read:

(2Ti 3:16) All Scripture is giuen by inspiration of God, & is profitable for doctrine, for reproofe, for correction, for instrution in righteousnesse,

 

[BobinKy]

Interesting... If you are going to highlight the words "ALL SCRIPTURE" in 2 Tim 3:16, then you would have to revise your position, for you seem to indicate that just SOME Scripture is actually inspired. :smilewinkgrin:

glfredrick...

I am not sure what you are talking about here.

Are you referring to StillLearning's use of bold and italics type?
If so, then I see this as a format convention for a passage under discussion.

Are you referring to StillLearning's use of brackets [is]?
Since he had the whole passage in italics, he had to choose another format convention to reflect the italics in the KJB.

. . .

Personally, I try to use the INDENT option at the top of the message window in an attempt to follow the APA Publication Manual, 5th ed. (2004, p. 592, Section 5.13 Quotations), which I cite below.

Long quotations. Display quotations of 40 or more words in a double-spaced block of typewritten lines with no quotation marks. Do not single-space. Indent five to seven spaces or 1/2 in. from the left margin without the usual opening paragraph indent. If the quotation is more than one paragraph, indent the first line of second and additional paragraphs five to seven spaces or 1/2 in. from the new margin.​

Of course, other style manuals may be consulted and used with consistency.

...Bob