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KJVO IFB churches
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Nolan Stengel
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I would say only if all aspects of worship is surrounding the KJB. I’ve been to several KJVO IFB churches where they basically bow down to their preferred English translation and it feels very cult-like. I’ve also been to several KJVO IFB churches that don’t do that and I think they’re pretty solid.
The ones I am aware of show many signs of cultism. Extreme, unchecked pastoral power being most obvious sign. Poorly educated pastors who use KJVO as a tool to control the congregation being another sign.
To me, that would be the sign of a cult. I do know of KJVO leaders and do not act that way. So it depends on the church and the leadership.
Your thinking does not surprise me. You have a choice of at least 150 English Bibles and paraphrases that are not KJV that you say you don't believe and I have read things you have said and I must agree that you don't believe them. Good job on this thread.
I don't really know what you are talking about about. LSB is my go to translation. I also Study ESV. I have no problem with KJV, but I see kJV onlyism as cult like behavior.
WARNING: We do NOT use the word "cult" to describe or deride fellow believers. I believe some in the only "sect" (approved, less-offensive word) may truly be born again, just taught a pernicious false doctrine. Most of us HATE the cult-like behavior and lock-step mindset of many groups. Hate even more when they claim to be Baptist. I ministered 35 years in Mormon territory. Cult mentality and hard to the truth.
Well, it has been my position on the scriptures that they are for the saved. Why do I say that? Because God will not enlighten the minds of unsaved men and he has said the deep things of God cannot be known by the natural man. Knowing the mind of God and of Christ requires the indwelling teacher whom God the Father gives to his church as a gift.
This is not true of the gospel. Jesus said that a little child could hear the gospel and be saved. So, this tells me that if the Spirit is the teacher then the excuse I hear from you guys all the time is so much hooey. That is that you cannot understand the language God chose to reveal his words and his ways. I am thinking that this a test for people like you who have your mindset. Can these men understand the spiritual content of the scriptures and the fact they cannot is an open door to the soul winner.
Now, I will say again, I believe many people in the Reformed ranks are saved, but not because of the doctrines of the Reformed but in spite of them. They circumvent the cross where our salvation is assured if we hear about it and believe it and Jesus Christ does not have the preeminence in this system. What has preeminence is ethereal election. The cross does not matter to the sinner one way or the other who was not elected in this manner.
I reject that as being true. I know you want to make this thread about the KJVO but the Bible issue is not nearly as important as the gospel issue. One can be a saved person walking around with a Living Bible but he cannot be a saved person without the true gospel of Jesus Chris and that gospel comes by hearing and through a preacher..
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Actually, this thread is NOT about Bible versions (we would move it immediately) or about the Gospel, but about the "cult-like mindset/actions" of churches embracing that mentality. Legit question many ask.
Sadly, I know many KJVonly churches and most are extremely anemic doctrinally and push a weak man-centered Gospel that omits biblical repentance and focuses on easy believism. Of the Hyles type (may here have lamented this false pseudo-fundamentalism) shallow weak brothers. This is MY observation and experience that answers the question of this thread.
The men you reference are not doctrinally anemic because they are KJV Only, unless you are willing to make the case and prove that one cannot learn sound doctrine from it. They have other problems. As bad as I think men like Hyles and a few others in that camp are, I would still trust them more and figure they are closer to the kingdom than men who promotes a limited atonement and a teaching that sinners cannot believe the gospel unless they are supernaturally awakened from the dead.
So, my question is this; how would you prove your answer to someone who does not believe any Bible?
On the subject of "easy believism." One cannot get much easier believism than someone infusing believism into you, maybe while you are down at your favorite fishing hole with your feet propped up having a cold one. KJV only believers have never had it that easy.