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KJVO = Liberalism??

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by James_Newman, Jan 30, 2005.

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  1. James_Newman

    James_Newman New Member

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    I keep seeing this around the board, that KJVO is LIBERALISM :eek:

    Can someone kindly explain what definition of liberalism they mean by this statement, and then explain exactly how KJVO fits into this definition? This seems more like a tactic to justify trying to scare good CONSERVATIVE FUNDAMENTALISTS away from KJVO, because it is LIBERALISM, right? Labels can be great for keeping things sorted out. But sometimes things get the wrong label on them for one reason or another.
     
    #1 James_Newman, Jan 30, 2005
  2. James_Newman

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    for example, in another thread this was stated...
    I think some folks are being viciously and divisively liberal with their vocabulary skills. Out of one side of their mouths, they will say we are limiting God by saying that people can only get saved by the KJV,which is a straw man, and then call this straw man a liberal.
     
    #2 James_Newman, Jan 30, 2005
  3. av1611jim

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    I have had the epithet thrown at me a time or two. Usually by some wacko who either doesn't know what he is talking about OR he does know what he is talking about and is being dishonest with the slur.
    I am not sure which it is.
    I would like a definition also.
    In HIS service;
    Jim
     
    #3 av1611jim, Jan 30, 2005
  4. Ed Edwards

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    Liberal -- 7. favoring reform or progress, as in
    religion ...

    The whole KJVO movement has taken place since
    i was an adult (40 years ago at age 21).
    The KJVO movement is a new reform
    (though hardly "progress" :( ) in protestant
    theology and hense is liberal within this
    meaning.
     
    #4 Ed Edwards, Jan 30, 2005
  5. av1611jim

    av1611jim New Member

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    Golly Ed, then THAT would mean every single new Bible on the market today is LIBERAL!

    In HIS service;
    Jim
     
    #5 av1611jim, Jan 30, 2005
  6. Ed Edwards

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    I have no problem with that.
    For "liberal" is NOT an evil term.
    And BTW, "liberal" and "fundamental"
    are NOT opposites.
     
    #6 Ed Edwards, Jan 31, 2005
  7. Daniel David

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    The fundamentalists used the ASV, because it was better than the anglican version.
     
    #7 Daniel David, Jan 31, 2005
  8. Dr. Bob

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    Thanks for slurring me and not mentioning my name, brother. Hey, if you have a problem, PUT MY NAME on my quotation. That is honesty. (I assume you were trying to be kind in NOT putting it in, so that is forgiven!)

    Now the issue.

    1 - Liberalism has a low (or no) respect of the authority of the Scripture.

    KJVonly has total disregard or disdain for the authority of Scripture, replacing it with an Anglican translation.

    Some have said it replaces the Greek/Hebrew. Others (Ruckman, the leader of the only sect) have claimed it CORRECTS the Greek and Hebrew. THAT is as low a regard for God's Word as I can imagine, and cannot believe someone is even a Christian that says such. Therefore, KJVonly is liberal.

    2 - Liberalism is opposed to salvation by grace alone by faith alone.

    KJVonly guru Jack Hyles (ifb hero to thousands) wrote that if a person is not saved by reading the KJV, they are not truly saved. That is as DEVIANT a doctrine of salvation as any baby-baptizer or Mormon cult. Therefore, KJVonly is liberal.

    3 - Liberalism teaches you cannot rely on the Word of God.

    KJVonly teach that there is only ONE Bible (hence the word ONLY, duh) and it is not the one God gave! It is a translation by 40+ baby-baptizing Anglican priests. Therefore, KJVonly is liberal.

    4 - Liberalism is the opposite of Fundamentalism

    KJVonly rejects the first principle of historic Fundamentalism, that the original manuscripts are inspired and perfect but NOT a translation. Therefore, KJVonly is liberal.

    In conclusion, KJVonly want to CLAIM the title of fundamentalism they deny. They want to DECEIVE people into thinking they have a HIGH regard for God's Word, when in reality they only have HIGH regard for their man-made document. They want to APPEAR as conservative, when in reality they are ultra-liberal.
     
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  9. Dr. Bob

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    As per the policies of the BB, we are moving this discussion of KJVo to the Versions Forum.
     
    #9 Dr. Bob, Jan 31, 2005
  10. gb93433

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    KJVO is not liberaslism. It is heresy.
     
    #10 gb93433, Jan 31, 2005
  11. Craigbythesea

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    Yes, it most certainly is, but "liberalism" is the polite word that some people use that don't like to use the "H" word. What I don’t understand is why these “H” people are allowed to post in Baptist forums :confused: . I don’t see any Mormons or J.W.’s being allowed to post in the Baptist forums—so why are the “H” people allowed to post here? :eek:

    [​IMG]
     
    #11 Craigbythesea, Jan 31, 2005
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    I am quite conservative in most of my political views(pro-gun ownership, pro-death penalty, anti-foreign aid, etc.) while I doubt if anyone here believes I'm KJVO. However, it has been the KJVO who wishes to label us as liberal because we won't stick to THEIR old, outdated ways.

    I don't think we can place a label or even a generality upon one side being lib & the other conserv. There are many individuals of each persuasion in both camps.
     
    #12 robycop3, Jan 31, 2005
  13. GrannyGumbo

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    Granny liberal??? don't think so!
     
    #13 GrannyGumbo, Jan 31, 2005
  14. HankD

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    The KJVO philosophy in at least one way is more evil than the secularists and neo-orthodox who view the Bible as simply a religious pious work full of myths and legends because the radical element (the leadership at the top of the KJVO heap) of KJVO teach that all but the King James Version (1611-1853?) are either corruptions of the Word of God or worse yet (relating to the first sentence above), "satanic counterfeits".


    HankD
     
    #14 HankD, Jan 31, 2005
  15. Slambo

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    Sorry to disagree,but the liberal churches around our area almost exclusively use MVs;99% of the IFBs in my area use the KJV.
     
    #15 Slambo, Jan 31, 2005
  16. 4His_glory

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    Slambo,
    Are you saying that since Liberal churches use the MV's that the MV's must be liberal as well?

    If so your logic is not accurate. If I am to understand what you are saying, it is this: Liberal Churches use the MV's, therefore the MV,s are liberal. That is like saying "Catholics have pews in their churches, Baptists have pews in their churches as well, therefore Baptists must be Catholics.
     
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  17. av1611jim

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    Golly!
    Slambo makes an observation.
    4His-glory asserts the observation is logically flawed.
    Did anybody besides me notice the flaws of logic also contained in Dr. B's post?
    See my next post.

    In HIS service;
    Jim
     
    #17 av1611jim, Jan 31, 2005
  18. Deacon

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    I thought Dr. Bob's post was a keeper! IMO it his the nail right on the head.

    Why don't you go over the problems you see in his post for us.

    Rob
     
    #18 Deacon, Jan 31, 2005
  19. Ed Edwards

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    Amen, Brother Deacon -- Preach it!
     
    #19 Ed Edwards, Jan 31, 2005
  20. av1611jim

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    ***In conclusion Dr.B makes the assertion that KJVo WANT to deceive people into thinking we have a high regard for Scripture. No statement I have seen on this board could be further from the truth. Blatant slander.

    In HIS service;
    Jim
     
    #20 av1611jim, Jan 31, 2005
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