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Knowing Supersedes Wondering

NetChaplain

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Significance is not so much in wondering about the reality of God as much as it is in knowing what His Word says of Him, because our reasoning is at times inaccurate, it being effected by our senses and “the old man.”

The “wondering” for the believer isn’t doubt of the Word but of self in attempting to achieve some type of a sense of the reality of God. Notice the word “sense,” as in the five senses, which have no commonality or production with spiritual faith, which is different in essence from natural faith of the senses.

Believing by sensual or natural faith is different than believing by non-sensual or supernatural faith (fruit of the Spirit - Gal 5:22). The prior is believing by physical proof (walking by sight - 2Co 5:7), and the latter is believing without physical proof (Jhn 20:29). Faith in God's Word provides the primary means by which the Spirit confirms within us that "we are the children of God" (Ro 8:16).

Of course, what we think about everything is inferior to what God’s Word says about everything, and it’s often here that we place too much reasoning about His Word instead of merely taking thought of His Word. Wanting to sense more of God’s reality will only yield a limited result (so don’t let it disappoint you) because there is nothing within our senses that can relate to Him.

He cannot be known by the senses but by knowledge of His Word which the Spirit teaches, and this gives increase to faith, which is the most significant aspect concerning our union or connection with God in this life (united “through faith” – Eph. 2:8); and is the reason why He gradually removed the reality of seeing (sensing) His physical workings, in provision of allowing faith to continue to grow, for faith has its use only in this life. The more physical proof one has of God, the less there will be potential for the increase of spiritual faith.
 

37818

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. . . the reality of God. . . .
The identity of God. Genesis 1:1. Exodus 20:2, ". . . I am the LORD . . . ." John 17:3, ". . . this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, . . ." Acts of the Apostles 17:28, ". . . in him we live, and move, and have our being; . . ."

The more physical proof one has of God, the less there will be potential for the increase of spiritual faith.
Is nonsense.
Hebrews 11:6, ". . . without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. . . ."
 
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Alex2165

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I agree with your post Net, it is a good post.

I think that in order to know GOD, two different ways may provide good and comprehensive knowledge of Him.

You absolutely right that through the Words of the Lord people can obtain good knowledge of GOD judging and assessing His character and His personality.

Indeed, reading the passages and statements of the Lord it is like fill up own soul with spiritual goodness that enhance our spiritual being with the spiritual joy and happiness, knowing the Lord's wonderful and righteous qualities of His Spiritual nature.

In this wicked and sinister world knowing existence of One Pure and Clean Spiritual Goodness without any shade of impurity, knowing a perfect Spiritual Being is a great relief and reward for anyone who believe and cherish such Spiritual Being.

But the physical aspect shall be not under minded in the knowledge of the Lord. The physical evidence of GOD'S mind, intelligence, and power is overwhelming, and it also reflect the character and personality of GOD as a great designer and creator.

The entire physical world, the Earth and the cosmos, reveal GOD'S great imagination and fantastic creativity in everything He had created.

In His physical creations and in the physical life of the creatures He had created the physical world reveal His unsurpassed wisdom, mind, intelligence, and the beauty of His design, proportions, colors, and shapes.

He had made the physical world very functional, interconnecting all the dots and points of the physical entities in one complex system of physical structure, integrating many physical bodies and units in a single physical construction - world, each of which supports and depends on another.

We have to look on both sides of GOD, Spiritual and Physical, in order to have better understand of our Lord.

In this learning of both worlds we will achieve much higher level of knowledge and understanding of GOD'S personality and character, because each of them have very own unique and special properties, and knowing them both will produce better knowledge and understanding of His Being.

If we take a look at the praises to GOD written in the Bible, the Lord our GOD is praised in both direction, for His Great and Pure Spirituality, and for His marvelous physical creations, and in both He is awesome, great, splendid, and majestic.
 

NetChaplain

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The identity of God. Genesis 1:1. Exodus 20:2, ". . . I am the LORD . . . ." John 17:3, ". . . this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, . . ." Acts of the Apostles 17:28, ". . . in him we live, and move, and have our being; . . ."

Is nonsense.
Hebrews 11:6, ". . . without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. . . ."
Hi and thanks for your reply! The crux of the article concerns attempting to sense the reality of God, which is no longer given in this life, for the sake of faith being at its greatest operation before it passes. It's a norm for us to desire knowing Him by the senses, but I believe knowing Him and the Son through the presence of Their Spirit and His Word within the believer is a greater reality (Rom 8:16).

God bless!
 

NetChaplain

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knowing a perfect Spiritual Being is a great relief and reward for anyone who believe and cherish such Spiritual Being.
Hi and appreciate your comments, esp. this one. Once we come to believe and know and fellowship God through His Word it's an experience that is ever on the increase of learning and fellowship.

But the physical aspect shall be not under minded in the knowledge of the Lord. The physical evidence of GOD'S mind, intelligence, and power is overwhelming, and it also reflect the character and personality of GOD as a great designer and creator.
True, the entirety of the universe is actual reality of Himself and His works, but it's my believe that now, He wants faith to be at it strongest by disallowing physical proof of His existence, unlike before when He manifested himself to our senses. It's all about faith now, then sight latter, and no more need of faith, doubt or wonder.

God bless, and thanks for the encouraging compliments and comments!
 

37818

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Hi and thanks for your reply! The crux of the article concerns attempting to sense the reality of God, which is no longer given in this life, for the sake of faith being at its greatest operation before it passes. It's a norm for us to desire knowing Him by the senses, but I believe knowing Him and the Son through the presence of Their Spirit and His Word within the believer is a greater reality (Rom 8:16).

God bless!
The reality of God is absolutely given in this life.
The problem is a wrong identity for God.

* God is understood to be uncaused.
* Now in order for anything to be uncaused there must be an uncaused reality.
* Now uncaused reality needs nothing else to be.

We as believers having God's Spirit, Romans 8:9, Romans 8:16 have direct knowledge of God, John 17:3.

Now faith is a consequence of truth. John 17:17, Romans 10:17-18, Psalms 19:4, Genesis 1:1.

God's Hebrew Name, Exodus 3:14-15 means the "self existent one."

Also noting God is omnipresent Acts 17:28 is cited, ". . . in him we live, and move, and have our being; . . ."

Now God is the uncaused omnipresent reality.
 
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NetChaplain

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The reality of God is absolutely given in this life.
The problem is a wrong identity for God.
I can appreciate your reasoning and agree, but I'm just saying that I believe God now disallows Himself to be scientifically proven or proven by the senses. Faith would not be where He now wants it to be if He could be. I also think it's ok to think otherwise if one chooses.
 

37818

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I can appreciate your reasoning and agree, but I'm just saying that I believe God now disallows Himself to be scientifically proven or proven by the senses. Faith would not be where He now wants it to be if He could be. I also think it's ok to think otherwise if one chooses.
What we call science, the laws of our known universe, are the natural revelation from God, Romans 10:17-18, Psalms 19:1-4. God Himself is the omnipresent reality, Acts of the Apostles 17:28.
 
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