Let's flipflop, a work of faith

[percho]

And before the coming of the faith, under law we were being kept, shut up to the faith about to be revealed, so that the law became our child-conductor -- to Christ, that by faith (?) we may be declared righteous, and the faith having come, no more under a child-conductor are we, Gal 3:23-25 YLT

concerning his Son (come of David's seed according to flesh, marked out Son of God in power, according to the Spirit of holiness, by resurrection of the dead) Jesus Christ our Lord; Rom 1:3.4 Darby --- Marked out, translated in KJV as, declared.

Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him. And John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?” But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him. Matt 3:13-15
16-17 When He had been baptized, (Picturing the son of David, Jesus put to death?) Jesus came up immediately from the water; (picturing Jesus being resurrected?) and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He[fn] saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

Do the passages from Romans 1:3,4 and Matthew 3:16,17 show the same?

What declared Jesus, Son of God?
“This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” Voice from heaven, after pictured, raised out of death?

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

What faith, was revealed as having come in Gal 3:23 that pleased God? Was it not Obedience of Faith of Jesus?

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

 

[Van]

Galatians 3:23- 25 (NLT)

Before the way of faith in Christ was available to us, we were placed under guard by the law. We were kept in protective custody, so to speak, until the way of faith was revealed.

Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith.

And now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the law as our guardian.​

While this (NLT) translation presents an unambiguous rendering of the passage, I think it misses the actual intended message.

Galatians 3:23-25 (NASB)

But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the Law, being confined for the faith that was destined to be revealed.

Therefore the Law has become our guardian to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.

But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.​

Here we have a more ambiguous translation, but one that sticks more closely the historically accepted meanings of the Greek words.

1) Does the "faith that had come" refer to Christ himself, or to the New Covenant? Since the New Covenant replaced the Old Covenant, the Law, the most likely possibility is that it refers to the New Covenant's provision by the faithfulness of Christ.

2) Thus the Law has become our escort to Christ, so that we might be justified on the basis of Christ's faithfulness.

3) Now that the New Covenant has come, we are no longer under the power of the Law as our escort.

 

[percho]

Galatians 3:23- 25 (NLT)

Before the way of faith in Christ was available to us, we were placed under guard by the law. We were kept in protective custody, so to speak, until the way of faith was revealed.

Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith.

And now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the law as our guardian.​

While this (NLT) translation presents an unambiguous rendering of the passage, I think it misses the actual intended message.

Galatians 3:23-25 (NASB)

But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the Law, being confined for the faith that was destined to be revealed.

Therefore the Law has become our guardian to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.

But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.​

Here we have a more ambiguous translation, but one that sticks more closely the historically accepted meanings of the Greek words.

1) Does the "faith that had come" refer to Christ himself, or to the New Covenant? Since the New Covenant replaced the Old Covenant, the Law, the most likely possibility is that it refers to the New Covenant's provision by the faithfulness of Christ.

2) Thus the Law has become our escort to Christ, so that we might be justified on the basis of Christ's faithfulness.

3) Now that the New Covenant has come, we are no longer under the power of the Law as our escort.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Luke 22:42-44 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
Heb 5:7,8 YLT who in the days of his flesh both prayers and supplications unto Him who was able to save him from death -- with strong crying and tears -- having offered up, and having been heard in respect to that which he feared, through being a Son, did learn by the things which he suffered -- the obedience,
Phil 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

Do you believe the Father being well pleased with the Son, had anything to do with faith?

 

[Van]

SNIP
Do you believe the Father being well pleased with the Son, had anything to do with faith?

Why not address what I posted concerning Galatians 3:23-25?

1) Does the "faith that had come" refer to Christ himself, or to the New Covenant? Since the New Covenant replaced the Old Covenant, the Law, the most likely possibility is that it refers to the New Covenant's provision by the faithfulness of Christ.

2) Thus the Law has become our escort to Christ, so that we might be justified on the basis of Christ's faithfulness.

3) Now that the New Covenant has come, we are no longer under the power of the Law as our escort.​

 

[percho]

Why not address what I posted concerning Galatians 3:23-25?

1) Does the "faith that had come" refer to Christ himself, or to the New Covenant? Since the New Covenant replaced the Old Covenant, the Law, the most likely possibility is that it refers to the New Covenant's provision by the faithfulness of Christ.

2) Thus the Law has become our escort to Christ, so that we might be justified on the basis of Christ's faithfulness.

3) Now that the New Covenant has come, we are no longer under the power of the Law as our escort.​

When did the New Covenant replace the Old? When the virgin Mary brought forth her son named Jesus or at the shed blood of that son?

Is the context of, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” of Matt 3:17 after the shedding of the blood in which would be the New Covenant?

Is this from Matt 3:15,16 a picture of the death of Jesus Christ and him having been raised out of the dead?
And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: ----Yes or No?

At the following juncture from Matt 3:16 after the resurrection; and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Are we told of the same thing having taken place after the resurrection in Acts 2:32.33 NKJV
“This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. “Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear


For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. Heb 8:10-12
Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

The faith that came, the faith revealed, had to be either the shedding of blood of something after that even if you want to use, "New Covenant," IMHO.

IMHO, The faith that had come was the shedding of blood, in which is the New Covenant, the learned obedience unto death, even the death of the cross. The obedience of one of Rom 5:19 relative to righteousness/justification, just as is, the faith, in Gal 3:23,24.

 

[Van]

]When did the New Covenant replace the Old?
When Christ died, shedding His blood of the New Covenant.

Is the context of, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” of Matt 3:17 after the shedding of the blood in which would be the New Covenant?
No, this is the start of Christ's public ministry.

Is this from Matt 3:15,16 a picture of the death of Jesus Christ and him having been raised out of the dead? ----Yes or No?
No Jesus is fulfilling several prophecies, including that He is the Messiah and John is the Forerunner.

Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Yes, this verse clearly supports the New Covenant in His blood.

The faith that came, the faith revealed, had to be either the shedding of blood of something after that even if you want to use, "New Covenant," IMHO.
Nothing you posted supports your opinion, IMHO.

IMHO, The faith that had come was the shedding of blood, in which is the New Covenant, the learned obedience unto death, even the death of the cross. The obedience of one of Rom 5:19 relative to righteousness/justification, just as is, the faith, in Gal 3:23,24.
1) Does the "faith that had come" refer to Christ himself, or to the New Covenant? Since the New Covenant replaced the Old Covenant, the Law, the most likely possibility is that it refers to the New Covenant's provision by the faithfulness of Christ.

You seem to be saying the exact same thing I said as if it differed? What is up with that?

 

[percho]

What is faith, what is the faith of you?

because of this, even as through one man the sin did enter into the world, and through the sin the death; and thus to all men the death did pass through, for that all did sin; for till law sin was in the world: and sin is not reckoned when there is not law; but the death did reign from Adam till Moses, even upon those not having sinned in the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a type of him who is coming. Rom 5:12-14 YLT
for the wages of the sin is death, and the gift of God is life age-during in Christ Jesus our Lord. Rom 6:23 YLT
and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it -- dying thou dost die.' Gen 2:17 YLT

BTW man is still dying, the death.

Now consider the following in bold and consider the question that follows.

Gal 3:23-25 YLT And before the coming of the faith, under law we were being kept, shut up to the faith about to be revealed, so that the law became our child-conductor -- to Christ, that by faith we may be declared righteous, and the faith having come, no more under a child-conductor are we,



The Question? s"

Had not Jesus of Nazareth, the Son, who was without sin, learned through the things he suffered. the obedience, that the obedience of death even the death of the cross would there have been, from out of the death brought forth by the sin, ----
the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen?

For man who still suffers the death BTW would there be any hope of receiving the promise of God who cannot lie?

Is the death of Christ, the faith of you or is what you think about the death of Christ, the faith of you?