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Let's Go Back to Kindergarten

Aaron

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We all need to from time to time.

@Van said:

2) We are NOT speaking exclusively of a "Day" but of how the Old Covenant models, illustrates and foreshadows the New Covenant.

Well...we were speaking of a specific sacrifice, but each offering in the law has it's own lesson to teach about Christ's One offering of Himself. The view presented in the Burnt Offering, is not the view presented in the Sin Offering. And the view in the affirmation of the Covenant in Exodus 24 is not the view presented in the sacrifices on the Day of Atonement in Leviticus 14, and we were talking about the sacrifices on the Day of Atonement.

But that's neither here nor there. Let's open it up to the entire Old Testament, as @Van wishes to do, and how it illustrates Christ's work. (I call the Old Testament, God's Picture Book.)

I'll start:

Exodus 26:31-33 - And thou shalt make a vail of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen of cunning work: with cherubims shall it be made: And thou shalt hang it upon four pillars of shittim wood overlaid with gold: their hooks shall be of gold, upon the four sockets of silver. And thou shalt hang up the vail under the taches, that thou mayest bring in thither within the vail the ark of the testimony: and the vail shall divide unto you between the holy place and the most holy.

Exodus 36:35 - And he made a vail of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen: with cherubims made he it of cunning work.

Hebrews 9:1-3, 6-8 - Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all; ... Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God. But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

Hebrews 10:20 - By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Matthew 27:50-51 - Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;



We can clearly see

1) While Christ's body was yet unbroken, we were separated from God.

2) It was the breaking of Christ's body that opened the way.

3) The veil was not torn by men. God broke Christ's body.
 

Van

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We all need to from time to time.

@Van said:

2) We are NOT speaking exclusively of a "Day" but of how the Old Covenant models, illustrates and foreshadows the New Covenant.

Well...we were speaking of a specific sacrifice, but each offering in the law has it's own lesson to teach about Christ's One offering of Himself. The view presented in the Burnt Offering, is not the view presented in the Sin Offering. And the view in the affirmation of the Covenant in Exodus 24 is not the view presented in the sacrifices on the Day of Atonement in Leviticus 14, and we were talking about the sacrifices on the Day of Atonement.

But that's neither here nor there. Let's open it up to the entire Old Testament, as @Van wishes to do, and how it illustrates Christ's work. (I call the Old Testament, God's Picture Book.)

I'll start:

Exodus 26:31-33 - And thou shalt make a vail of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen of cunning work: with cherubims shall it be made: And thou shalt hang it upon four pillars of shittim wood overlaid with gold: their hooks shall be of gold, upon the four sockets of silver. And thou shalt hang up the vail under the taches, that thou mayest bring in thither within the vail the ark of the testimony: and the vail shall divide unto you between the holy place and the most holy.

Exodus 36:35 - And he made a vail of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen: with cherubims made he it of cunning work.

Hebrews 9:1-3, 6-8 - Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all; ... Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God. But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

Hebrews 10:20 - By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Matthew 27:50-51 - Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;



We can clearly see

1) While Christ's body was yet unbroken, we were separated from God.

2) It was the breaking of Christ's body that opened the way.

3) The veil was not torn by men. God broke Christ's body.

Yes, the model of the Old has two parts, the sacrifice providing the blood, and then the people receiving the benefit of the blood sacrifice, modeling the sacrifice of Christ providing the means of reconciliation, and the people transferred into Christ receiving the benefit of provision.

1) Subsequent to the Fall, humanity was separated from God, each of us being born into iniquity, as "made sinners" and unable to re-establish being united with God.

2) Yes, it was the Lamb of God's sacrifice, the just for the unjust, that provided the means of reconciliation.

3) Yes, Christ was delivered over according to God's pre-determined plan's implementation. Thus the means, method and implementation of salvation is 100% of God, and not dependent upon the will or works of humans.
 

Aaron

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Yes, the model of the Old has two parts, the sacrifice providing the blood, and then the people receiving the benefit of the blood sacrifice, modeling the sacrifice of Christ providing the means of reconciliation, and the people transferred into Christ receiving the benefit of provision.

1) Subsequent to the Fall, humanity was separated from God, each of us being born into iniquity, as "made sinners" and unable to re-establish being united with God.
Be careful about reading into things. Which part of the Tabernacle represents 'humanity' in general?

2) Yes, it was the Lamb of God's sacrifice, the just for the unjust, that provided the means of reconciliation.
I was speaking about a very specific artifact of the Tabernacle. I'm actually looking at the picture. Which part of the picture are you looking at? (Verses and reference.)

3) Yes, Christ was delivered over according to God's pre-determined plan's implementation. Thus the means, method and implementation of salvation is 100% of God, and not dependent upon the will or works of humans.
The work of the Tabernacle was performed by the priests, and no one takes that upon himself, but he that is called of God. (Heb. 5:4) And those encamped around the Tabernacle were the house of Israel...God's chosen. And the efficacy of the work was upon God's chosen. It wasn't upon the Egyptians, or the Philistines, or the Hittites or Perezites.

So point at the place in the picture where it's showing us a universal application. Don't just say this is universal. Don't point at a blue spot and call it green. Find the place where any sacrifice was for an Amonite as much as for the Israelite.
 

Van

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Be careful about reading into things. Which part of the Tabernacle represents 'humanity' in general?
I was addressing the timing of humanities separation from God, your #1 in post 1.
I was speaking about a very specific artifact of the Tabernacle. I'm actually looking at the picture. Which part of the picture are you looking at? (Verses and reference.)
I was addressing your #2 in your post #1.

And the efficacy of the work was upon God's chosen.

I was addressing your #3 in your post #1.
 

37818

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For me Kindergarten was in 1954, I know I believed in God.

I wasn't born again until the summer of 1962.

Yet, Romans 3:11, There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
 
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Aaron

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The mystery of the incarnation is also in the veil. The Tabernacle was made up to two rooms. The first room was called the 'tabernacle of the congregation', or the 'tent of meeting.' This was in front of the veil, and behind the door, which was of the same material and colors of the veil, but with no images of cherubim woven into it.

The interiors of both rooms had the same golden walls, and the same ceiling, which was identical in every way, except dimension, to the veil. They only differed in the furniture and the presence of Yahweh.

Both rooms represent the ministry of Christ. The tent of meeting, His earthly ministry, the holy of holies His heavenly. When the Word became flesh, and 'tabernacled' among us, He was separated from the presence of the Father. His flesh was a veil, not only to us, but to Him as well. As flesh He was subject to weakness, and performed His ministry by the power of the Spirit. Luke 4:18, Matthew 12:28. We also see some of the limitations of the flesh, not only in the need of sleep and of food, but He is not all knowing. He doesn't know the date and the hour of His coming. He had to ask a demon its name. He had to ask a blind man if he could see after putting His hands on him the first time.

Christ's flesh was a veil to Him as it was to us.

When the veil was torn, there was no more division between the two rooms.
 
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