Liberty's new status as an R3 University

[JonC]

Carnegie has classified Liberty university as one of the 335 doctoral universities, classifying the school as R3 (moderate research activity). While the school is proud of that accomplishment (and I am not certainly taking away from that - it is an accomplishment and had a wonderful experience pursuing a MA at the university), I was wondering what exactly is the rating criteria? I see it is largely based on “research and development spending, research staff and doctoral conferrals,” but is there a formula (what does this say about the Universities that have made the list)?




https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e=liberty&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=52570

 

[Rob_BW]

I found a flow chart.

http://carnegieclassifications.iu.edu/downloads/CCIHE2015-FlowCharts-01Feb16.pdf

 

[Rob_BW]

http://carnegieclassifications.iu.edu/definitions.php#methodology

http://carnegieclassifications.iu.edu/classification_descriptions/basic.php

They really don't want to post what qualifies as moderate, high, or highest research activity means, though. I couldn't find it.

 

[Greektim]

I wish they would better develop their PhD in the divinity school. A PhD in theology AND apologetics??? One or the other please! How about biblical studies? How about historical theology? How about...

PS--D.Min. doesn't count. Those don't impress me at all, and I refuse to call anyone with that degree "doctor".

 

[TCassidy]

D.Min. doesn't count. Those don't impress me at all, and I refuse to call anyone with that degree "doctor".

What do you call your physician? His degree is not a research degree (Ph.D/Th.D) but is a professional degree akin to D.Min, J.D.

 

[Greektim]

What do you call your physician? His degree is not a research degree (Ph.D/Th.D) but is a professional degree akin to D.Min, J.D.

And you don't call lawyers with J.D.s doctors, either.

My point was about the research status of LU as well as their poor program in the divinity school.

 

[preachinjesus]

What do you call your physician? His degree is not a research degree (Ph.D/Th.D) but is a professional degree akin to D.Min, J.D.

While I'm not GreekTim, and don't claim to answer for him, it is standard practice in journalism to call those with MDs "doctors" and those with ministry ordination "reverend."

While I don't restrain calling colleagues with DMin "doctor" I do struggle with those who only have honorary doctorates and ask to be called by that moniker. As one who has an earned PhD from a rather well respected school, I do think there are reasonable grounds to withhold the label if doctor from some.

BTW, a MD is a massively different degree than an DMin. Massively different.

 

[TCassidy]

BTW, a MD is a massively different degree than an DMin. Massively different.

Both are terminal professional degrees.

 

[TCassidy]

And you don't call lawyers with J.D.s doctors, either.

Not in the US, but some other countries call their Lawyers "Doctor." The main reason we don't do it here is that, until 1969, a Law Degree was an LL.B. And even after changing the name to JD the ABA's Committee on Professional Ethics (which later became the Standing Committee on Ethics and Professional Responsibility) considered referring to a Lawyer as "Doctor" was “self-laudation” which was prohibited by the Canons of Ethics.

My point was about the research status of LU as well as their poor program in the divinity school.

I know. I was trying to be funny. I guess I didn't try hard enough.