Libya Declares Islamic State, Implements Sharia Law

[righteousdude2]

Obama and NATO are directly responsbile for the following turn of evenets in Libya!

SEE: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ga...w/2011/10/23/id/415429?s=al&promo_code=D502-1

If Obama wants to declare victory over a 42-year-old dictatorship lead nation, let him declare.

However, it is more likely that he and his advisors miscalculated, and underestimated how deep the hunger for radically led Islamic statehood under Sharia's law is within a minority of powerful leaders waiting to surface and take control of the shambles left in the aftermath of uprising and war.

This is the way the mid-East is heading, and each of these nations that are liberated, will, in one way or another, be some form of Islamic state under Sharia's law.

When will the bleeding-heart liberals, with their starry eyes of grandeur and illusion realize that radical Muslims have a plan, and that is to establish a mid-East under Islamic Rule and Sharia Law???

This is the same goal these radical Muslims have for their Palestine like territories being established in the Western parts of the world. In the parts of the free world that have permitted Muslims to live among them.

Be it England, Switzerland, France, Michigan, Oklahoma, Australia, etc. Once they set up their communities, their underlying goal is to establish Ilamic communities, governed under Shraria law.

And it may still be years away from happening, but the same type of day-by-day conflict that Israel faces with the growing tentacles of Islamic statehood growing in the Palestinian ruled splinter communities surrounding their nation, will materialize here, in the democratic regions of the Western democracies (including America).

Don't be fooled any longer. Islam, has a mission, and it is to control the world.

 

[billwald]

Sort of like the Jews and Israel. Is there something sinful about the Jews applying Jewish law in Israel?

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

So the US should support dictators and tyrants who subvert the will of the people? Maybe the US and NATO should have had helped the other side?

 

[righteousdude2]

I'll Take Your Questions Serious...

Sort of like the Jews and Israel. Is there something sinful about the Jews applying Jewish law in Israel?

...When you answer the mystery surrounding your support of nudism and it being an acceptable practice in society :laugh:

If you want to live in a nudist, radical, Islamic, Sharia Law state, fine. Pack your bags and leave. I plan to defend the freedom of this country as long as its practical and possible.

 

[Ruiz]

Sort of like the Jews and Israel. Is there something sinful about the Jews applying Jewish law in Israel?

Sharia law is evil, thus there is a huge distinction here.

 

[mandym]

Sort of like the Jews and Israel. Is there something sinful about the Jews applying Jewish law in Israel?

It is an absurd notion that there is a moral equivalence.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Though there is some usual sensationalism in the OP, this story points out the conundrum that the Arab Spring brings to the freedom loving West. Do the great democratic states of the west only love freedom when it is friendly to them? Should we support dictators over freedom if those dictators keep Islam under control?

How should we handle it when democratic states choose in free elections to establish Islam as their religion and Sharia as their law?

I don't remember this kind of concern when Ceaușescu was executed and from what I have read there was no outrage when Mussolini died in similar fashion.

 

[targus]

So the US should support dictators and tyrants who subvert the will of the people? Maybe the US and NATO should have had helped the other side?

Why is it an either/or?

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Simply posing a question on how to deal with a very difficult situation. I tend to agree that we should stay out, like we should have stayed out of Iraq.

 

[InTheLight]

And it may still be years away from happening, but the same type of day-by-day conflict that Israel faces with the growing tentacles of Islamic statehood growing in the Palestinian ruled splinter communities surrounding their nation, will materialize here, in the democratic regions of the Western democracies (including America).

Don't be fooled any longer. Islam, has a mission, and it is to control the world.

Let me understand you. Are you saying that eventually there will be Islamic states set up in the United States? For example, an existing state, say Washington state, will secede from the union, rename itself with an Arabic name, and declare Sharia Law as its governing principles. Is that what you are saying?

 

[billwald]

Why would enforcement of the 613 Jewish laws by modern day Reconstructionists be less evil than sharia law? You all favor the 7th and 49th year laws?

 

[targus]

Let me understand you. Are you saying that eventually there will be Islamic states set up in the United States? For example, an existing state, say Washington state, will secede from the union, rename itself with an Arabic name, and declare Sharia Law as its governing principles. Is that what you are saying?

It isn't necessary to leave the union to declare Sharia law.

For example the laws of a city could be changed to conform to Sharia law by a simple majority.

Not saying that it is a likely happening but certainly not beyond a possibility.

 

[InTheLight]

It isn't necessary to leave the union to declare Sharia law.

For example the laws of a city could be changed to conform to Sharia law by a simple majority.

Not saying that it is a likely happening but certainly not beyond a possibility.

Point taken. I used the secession example because RD2 said:

the growing tentacles of Islamic statehood growing in the Palestinian ruled splinter communities surrounding their nation, will materialize here,

I think most of the outcry about Sharia law invading the U.S. is shrill scare-mongering. In actual case law in the U.S. as well as the U.K., Sharia law has been rejected.

Let's say that Libya does establish Sharia law. What do we have to say about it? They are a sovereign nation and can do what they please.

 

[righteousdude2]

Point taken. I used the secession example because RD2 said:

the growing tentacles of Islamic statehood growing in the Palestinian ruled splinter communities surrounding their nation, will materialize here,

I think most of the outcry about Sharia law invading the U.S. is shrill scare-mongering. In actual case law in the U.S. as well as the U.K., Sharia law has been rejected.

Let's say that Libya does establish Sharia law. What do we have to say about it? They are a sovereign nation and can do what they please.

SEE: http://charlestonteaparty.org/islamist-rally-for-sharia-law-in-united-states-must-take-place/


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-12-09-shariaban09_ST_N.htm

http://www.franklincountyvapatriots.com/?p=1430

http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...asner-says-florida-judge-using-islamic-law-c/

I stand by my statement, that the growing tentacles of Islamic statehood growing in the Palestinian ruled splinter communities surrounding their nation, will materialize here,.

Whether you choose to believe this, or merely cast it off as fear mongering, is up to you.

As to your "secession" example. I never said that or even implied it. I simply stated that Sharia law will one day materilize here. How and where, and how involved it comes to be is yet to be determined.

Please stop putting words in my mouth; reading between the lines, in order to discredit my post; and if you do not believe that there is a world wide movement to impose Sharia law, and radical Ilamic ideals upon the free world, than your mind is more closed than I imagined.

Thanks for your attempt to distrupt my post with suggestions that were not even hinted at. I still love you in Jesus, and consider you a brother. I will also pray for you, because you don't like to play fair when it comes to discussing an issue! :tear:

 

[righteousdude2]

C4K Checking In for the Oppostion?

So the US should support dictators and tyrants who subvert the will of the people? Maybe the US and NATO should have had helped the other side?

I knew you'd be one of the first to reply to my post.

• First of all, the title is no more "sensationalizing" than any others on this forum.
  
• Secondly, my title is presenting the truth as to what has transpired in Libya.
  
• And finally, your opinion and view are duly noted, and I choose not to respond because it is argumentative and has little to do with the intent of this post. This is not an "either or" topic.

 

[carpro]

This is the way the mid-East is heading, and each of these nations that are liberated, will, in one way or another, be some form of Islamic state under Sharia's law.

When will the bleeding-heart liberals, with their starry eyes of grandeur and illusion realize that radical Muslims have a plan, and that is to establish a mid-East under Islamic Rule and Sharia Law???

Anyone that expected anything else is either incredibly naive or just plain stupid.

 

[InTheLight]

I stand by my statement, that the growing tentacles of Islamic statehood growing in the Palestinian ruled splinter communities surrounding their nation, will materialize here,.

Your links did not prove anything. How will Sharia law materialize here?

As to your "secession" example. I never said that or even implied it. I simply stated that Sharia law will one day materilize here. How and where, and how involved it comes to be is yet to be determined.

Please stop putting words in my mouth; reading between the lines, in order to discredit my post;

I'm not putting words in your mouth. You said:

Islamic statehood [..] will materialize here

We all know that Muslims want to establish a Palestinian state by claiming land currently held by Israel. Exactly how should I interpret "Islamic statehood will materialize here" if not by assuming you mean that they will demand an enclave for themselves?

and if you do not believe that there is a world wide movement to impose Sharia law, and radical Ilamic ideals upon the free world, than your mind is more closed than I imagined.

I agree with this statement of yours.

Care to answer:
Let's say that Libya does establish Sharia law. What do we have to say about it? They are a sovereign nation and can do what they please.

 

[righteousdude2]

Here's Your Answer?

<Your links did not prove anything. How will Sharia law materialize here?>

The links show that there are those who are already pushing to enact some form of Sharia's law in our justice system.

<Islamic statehood [..] will materialize here>

This does not imply that states will secede from the Union. What I was saying is that radical Islam is trying to establish itself, and in some counties throughout this nation, they have become a majority. I don't see secession, in the way you are suggesting. Just that once they gain control of areas, they could begin to assert their authority, and I see small areas within states, becoming like Palestine-like!

<Let's say that Libya does establish Sharia law. What do we have to say about it? They are a sovereign nation and can do what they please.>

We can do nothing about what is developing in the mid-East.

However, we, the West, need to be highly suspicious of any attempts to mix Sharia's law with our laws. Once this is challenged (I believe through the Supreme Court System), and they are granted the right to exercise Sharia's law when it may take precedence over our laws, especially where Muslim populations dominate areas (such as cities and counties within a state of the union), we will see the melting together of Shari/US law, and what comes next will be those areas, with a high concentration of Muslims, is a legal fight taking place.

Should their legal fight be over ruled, we will see the same kind of rioting that has happened in France and England, and at one time in our black communities where the blacks felt repressed and discriminated against.

It is coming, and we will see civil unrest leading to either bloodshed (which I don't see this Tolerance/Politically Correct Society let happen) or succumbing to their "social called rights to be free and operate under the laws that they feel more comfortable with!"

When this happens, you will see communities ruled by Muslims and Sharia law, right here in this nation. You call it secession. I call it territorial divisions.

You don't have to agree with what I see coming, that is your right, just as much as this is my right to voice my opinions as to what is around the corner for this nation.

I do not see Muslims completely assimilating, when it comes to their laws and religion.

Again, if Americans chose to keep their heads buried in the sands of "tolerance and human rights" we will be a nation divided by something that is more inflammable than the discrimination of blacks in the 60s. And this capitulation of ground will not bring us together as Martin Luther did.

It will begin with those highly concentrated areas of Muslims asking for their church schools to be approved by local, state and federal education systems.

Then they will want public schools just for Muslims.

While this is being tested in the courts, and (sadly) approved, there will be legal fights to have Sharia law govern those Muslims, who live and practice their religion, and want the right to have Muslim divorces, religious punishments for crimes against Islam's criminals, etc., gradually become a rule of law if requested by the parties when they come before the US Justice System.

The liberal, tolerance, politically-correct folks will see no harm, no foul in allowing these minor changes.

But, I see these as footholds that will lead to struggles within all Western nations to afford these sects their little piece of land. :tear:

If they get their foot in the door, it will never be closed. That is why the need to "assimilate" into this society, regardless of where they migrated from, is so very important to keep America a melting pot of societies, and not a nation of legally agreed-upon territories based upon religious preferences and rights.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Leaving pragmatism aside - do Americans really believe that the people of a sovereign nation should decide their form of government? Do we think they have the right to overthrow tyrants? Do we think we should support their attempts at freedom?

Or are Americans only self-serving and pragmatic who think everything in the world must be for our good?

 

[righteousdude2]

Well, Miracles Continue to Happen...

Leaving pragmatism aside - do Americans really believe that the people of a sovereign nation should decide their form of government? Do we think they have the right to overthrow tyrants? Do we think we should support their attempts at freedom?

Or are Americans only self-serving and pragmatic who think everything in the world must be for our good?

I have to completely agree with you! :smilewinkgrin:

However, I'd like to add that Americans don't feel this, or believe as you said. It is our elected government that has these views, and we need to stop them before we end up like Rome. :tear: