Life experiences and mental disorders?

Having a mental illness in which your reality is altered and your world, for the most part, is an illusion, is different than having an emotional disturbance or being filled with hate, which is the categorie that this fellow probably falls into. I think it is dangerous to assume that a person would be mentally deranged simply because he was abused.

 

well, in spite of the possibility of being called a "mouthy crow" again for posting something else..... .......I'd say there are people who have very traumatic experiences in their childhood and grow up to never murder anyone else. I think if there was evidence that ALL who had horrible childhoods grew up to be mass murderers, or other type of heinous criminal, I might see putting them in an institution instead.

But otherwise, I think Id agree with ya, Joseph.

 

it wasn't in this thread...sorry.

I was trying to have fun with it.

Im not against the death penalty though, so I guess I can't help ya on that score.

 

But do you have any reason to think he heard voices that he truely thought was the devil? Do you think his world was an illusion? Or was he just a mad angery person with one webed hand who tried and failed to be a priest and yelled his anger at God on his death bed. Sorry. That is my hint at who I think it is.

If it is who I think it is, I would say if you have enough mental stability to be the leader of a nation, you have enought mental stabiltiy to be held accountable.

 

Its fun guessing, but you did a good job of not giving the identity away. Yea, I think there are lots of folks who endure great abuse and do not become psychotic. So I would never assume it unless I had real evidence. Like I say, there is a difference between being emotionally disturbed and angery and having full knowledge of what you are doing and being psychotic.

Lets have some fun before you reveal the identity of your person. Feed us some hints as we go so we can try and guess it. Or let us ask give us one guess per post or somethig.

 

You can't always blame upbringing for mental illness.

My mother was the daughter of a Free Will Baptist preacher. She wasn't abused physically or mentally, neither were her 13 brothers and sisters. They witnessed abuse as my grandfather, preacher or not, was both physically and emotionally abusive to my grandmother(these stories I only have from my mother, not from aunts or uncles). They were very poor, but somehow kept body and soul together if only by eating turnip greens day in and day out.

Out of the 14 of them only 2 have had serious problems with mental illness, mother and her oldest brother. That brother fought in WW2 and his worse symptoms didn't occur until after many years of alcohol abuse. By this time he was quite an old man. He tried to kill his wife and one of his sons. He died in prison from liver cancer.

All 14 were raised by the same parents. 12 lived out their lives normally. How pray tell, can you point to anything that happened in thier lives and say that event is what caused their mental illness?

Why then didn't the other 12 kids turn out the same way?

Mental illness isn't something you catch from bad circumstances. Sometimes ones own sinful choices will compound mental problems you already suffer from(such as my uncle, he could have chosen not to drink and to seek treatment for the demons he thought were coming after him).

And sometimes you are just plain evil. My mother and my uncle weren't normally evil. But when they had episodes caused by the cyclical nature of thier illnesses, there was no telling what they might do. And they might not remember doing it when they were back to normal.

Hitler, Hussien, Stalin were evil, not mentally ill. They knew exactly what they were doing. They weren't operating in a schiophrenic haze. There is no evidence they heard voices or had breaks from reality(which if you haven't experienced or witnessed you won't understand).

I don't believe that everyone who commits murder is therefore mentally ill. Sometimes, the spiritual blindness they live in is such that they lose all contact with conscience. In the absence of conscience all that is left is evil. These are those I believe God "turns over to a reprobate mind". There is no longer anything left to hear the urgings of the Holy Spirit. These people should be executed for their crimes. There is no longer any hope. You can always give them 30 minutes with a preacher before you flip the switch, if it makes you feel better.

People like my mother and uncle, on the other hand, still feel the urgings of the Spirit. Mother was saved and baptised as a young woman. My uncle, sometime after he committed his crimes, so I was told. These people need compassion and mercy and treatment. They still have a chance to come to know the Lord or come back to the Lord.

We must considered all the facts before we decide to execute someone.

 

The way a person is raised, the things in their life can not be used as an excuse for their behavior later in life. If this caused a mental illness that caused this behavior then there would be a lot more like him. Many people have been through really bad things like this and not murdered people, this fact alone says he has no defense in his childhood abuses. So to me theres no excuse in anyway in the way his childhood was. This man is just as accountable as anyone else. If he isn't then all murders have to do is make claims form childhood that made the do it.
Many people have had to rise above their life's circumstances of how they were raised, the abuses they ahd to endure, to live susscessful lives, without murdering or abusing people.

 

"Hitler, Hussien, Stalin were evil, not mentally ill. They knew exactly what they were doing. They weren't operating in a schiophrenic haze. There is no evidence they heard voices or had breaks from reality(which if you haven't experienced or witnessed you won't understand)."--------------------------------------------------

And it is proven fact that Hitler was involved in occult. Some folks are just evil. I think it is dangerous to assume that all mass murderers were mentally ill, Joseph. Hitler was very clear on what he was doing. As an occultist it makes sense that he would want to get rid of the Jews. I see a maniacle reason behind what he did, not a psychotic rage.

Did this fellow ever visit South America.

 

I once was told about a girl walking down the middle of the highway while on patrol. I went and found her. She was not responding to me in a coherent way. I told her to get out of the middle of the highway. She was clearly confused. After getting her of the highway, I ran a check on her and asked her name. She told me Nichole Papsmear. It was real clear that she was not in her right mind. Turns out she lived in a halfway house for mental foster children. She had gotten into an arguement and supposedly hit the lady who ran it. This lady who ran the house did not seem like a great person to me, but hey, its a living I guess. She had just been released from jail, if you can believe that and was walking wherever. I had her commited because she was a danger to herself. If this person had killed someone, I would see her mental state as a mitigating factor. I would not want her to get the death penalty. She could not even hold a coherant conversation with me. They sent her to the mental hospital and I don't know what happened to her after that. Do you think she should be treated exactly like a normal person by the legal system?

 

Does his first name start with an I? That is not my first guess, but I am thinking I might be wrong about that one. Did he have a son killed?