Featured manifestation vs gift

So, God uses the word "gifts" (plural) in v. 4, but you think it is better to use the word manifestation and not say "gifts." I'll take God's Word over yours.

 

In verse 4 is charismaton, a plural noun meaning "grace effects." This might refer to various manifestations of God's grace. Using this idea, grace is the gift, a bestowal of divine favor, but that might cover a range of things, from a nice day to placing a person spiritually in Christ.

Now in verse 9 we have a slightly different form of "grace effects" a plural noun.

Bottom line, correctly translating God's words is very important, but it seems a stretch to say the grace effects of the Spirit cannot be referred to as gifts of the Spirit.

 

God the Holy Spirit revealed or manifested himself in different ways in different periods throughout history. When the Israel wandered throughout the wilderness God the Holy Spirit appeared as a pillar of fire by night and a cloud by day. He doesn't manifest himself that way any longer.

Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
--In the OT God the Holy Spirit manifested or revealed himself in different ways to the fathers by the prophets. What were those "different ways"?
They were: dreams, visions, audible voices, theophanies, angels, and other ways. God doesn't do that any more.

In the first century God manifested himself through the gifts of the Spirit. He did that primarily through the Apostles. There were some others that were given these gifts by they were temporary. The local church were told that they would pass away and they did. There are no more apostles, no more temporary revelation being given, for our revelation is complete, no more unbelieving Jews, etc. The sign for which its use was intended has passed. The sign has been removed.

Now the Holy Spirit manifests itself through the fruit of the Holy Spirit.
He also manifests himself through convicting individuals of sin, righteousness, and judgement. That is his roll today.

 

You are speaking to a people that have never witnessed a working of the Holy Ghost, therefore it does not and cannot exist. If something does happen, they will immediately assign it to Satan instead of rejoicing at another miracle of Jesus. They have quenched the Spirit with their knowledge, and have become stiff necked like the children in the desert. Can't you see how little faith they have just to live? Watch the way they talk, it is always flesh and fear.

 

It is very sad to hear you make a sweeping judgment, and one that is not true, on all your fellow believers, such as you have done hear. Truly sad. You are saying that your brothers and sisters in Christ attribute the work of the Holy Spirit to Satan. That is quite an accusation. Are you prepared to back it up?

 

Most will reject, not all. I've seen it. If you watched the dead come to life who would you attribute it to? How many have you prayed for over the years?

 

Many. But raising the dead is one of those miracles that Christ did and his apostles could do. It is not a miracle given to others. Who has raised the dead. Can it be verified? Who was it, and by whom, and when and where? Or, are these unverified anecdotal stories?

 

Stop with the verification for a moment and consider with me please.

You, DHK, witness a person praying over someone that died 8 hrs ago ok? Go with me...

The person prays for whatever time in Jesus name.

The dead person comes to life, who did it? God or Satan?

 

First I wouldn't say Satan.
Second, if it were just 8 hours ago, I would consider other options, as if the person were truly dead, or did some of his bodily functions shut down temporarily so that he seemed to be dead.
Third, it still is not on par with the miracle of Jesus raising Lazarus who was four days dead, bound in grave clothes, and already buried.
With the raising of Lazarus there was no question that Lazarus was dead.

 

That is fine. Lets say they are in the funeral home. You watch the dead rise from a simple prayer in His name. Is it God?

 

Yes, if from a Godly individual. Did it happen?

 

Now you are thinking. You do not know if the person is Godly or not. All you heard them say was "Rise up in Jesus name", then they did. Is it still God?

 

Your OP title is "manifestation vs.gift" (sic). The word "vs." (versus) means one against the other.

Then in the OP you said,

In this statement, you say to call it a manifestation "rather than gifts" because "God used that word." But God used the word "gifts" too, yet you don't want to say that. You don't understand what you yourself said. So how can we trust your interpretations of the Bible as being right? We can't.

 

As I said in another post, you have no evidence.
You have no evidence that He still manifests himself as fire by night and a cloud by day, as he die in the wilderness wandering, but you believed he did. You have no evidence that today he manifests himself through the operation of the gifts of the Spirit but at one time he did. They are not in operation, you would have evidence but there is none.

Must I quote verse two also so that you can get the full context:

Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
--The two verses contrast each other.
God in the OT spoke this way: visions, dreams, by His voice, etc.
God in the NT speaks through His Son, and his Son his revealed to us through His Word, Acts 2:17 notwithstanding.

The reference to the unbelieving Jews is given in 1Cor.14:21,22 as you well know. If they did not believe in the sign of speaking in other languages then, judgment would come upon them. It did. It came in 70 A.D. After that the Jews were dispersed. There was no more temple. It was destroyed and there hasn't been a Temple for them to worship at since that time.

I believe what the Bible says. The Bible tells us what the ministry of the Holy Spirit is. God is a God of order and not confusion. To you He is confusion. You would have us believe that the Holy Spirit barks like dogs and hisses like snakes as in the Vineyard Church in Toronto. That is what Charismatics do. Their visions claim that they go to Heaven, then to Hell and back to earth again. Ludicrous. One of them saw God. It was during a sunrise. He took a picture of God, and is now selling "God" on the internet. Just think: You can buy a picture of God. Let alone the fact that "God is Spirit." "No man hath seen God at any time." These are the kind of people you are associated with. They have dreams, visions, etc. But of what? Full of heresy.