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Martin Luther King Jr. Day

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av1611jim

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rbell said:
thanks for your apology, jim...

Remember...in MLK's day, quite a few blacks disagreed with his methodology...they didn't think non-violence would work.

Also...I don't remember MLK encouraging young black men to father children without marrying the mom, and then leave the scene. The disintegration of the african-american family is the root cause of so much black-on-black crime, IMO. Very few dads are around...fewer still are married to mom.

The US as a whole is experiencing this...this particular demographic has just had a "head start" on the rest of us...

b4 MLK championed a 'cause' people stayed together as a whole family nationwide. Today the mantra is...."I HAVE MY RIGHTS" and this nation has gone left ever since!.

I lay that at the feet of the "Civil Rights Act". Check the stats for yourself.
 
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LeBuick

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av1611jim said:
b4 MLK championed a 'cause' people stayed together as a whole family nationwide. Today the mantra is...."I HAVE MY RIGHTS" and this nation has gone left ever since.

I lay that at the feet of the "Civil Rights Act". Check the stats for yourself.

Are you saying that families stayed together because some people were treated as second and third class citizens? And since MLK championed equality, he broke up the family/community? Or are you just just saying segregation was a good thing?

PS... This country is going to hell because it no longer values the things of God.
 
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rbell

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av1611jim said:
b4 MLK championed a 'cause' people stayed together as a whole family nationwide. Today the mantra is...."I HAVE MY RIGHTS" and this nation has gone left ever since.

I lay that at the feet of the "Civil Rights Act". Check the stats for yourself.

I would disagree with you...the timing of the disintegration of black families co-inciding with the civil rights movement does not mean causality.

If I were blaming an institution, I would probably blame the rapid growth of the welfare state more than the civil rights movement.

But we're into politics and history...rumor has it I've been wrong before in these arenas (how dare they speak those rumors).
 
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Rhetorician

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General Response!

Did someone not say that this would get ugly?

What a shame?

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This is the only truth some will ever know!

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Lagardo

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av1611jim said:
b4 MLK championed a 'cause' people stayed together as a whole family nationwide. Today the mantra is...."I HAVE MY RIGHTS" and this nation has gone left ever since.

I lay that at the feet of the "Civil Rights Act". Check the stats for yourself.

A nation really cannot go to hell any more than it can go to heaven.

People will go to hell, but not because they demand their rights under the constitution but for their sin, which is only forgivable through the grace of Christ.

People went to hell before the Civil Rights Act as well.
 
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Southernpatriot

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I read in a article that in 1966 King recieved from Planned Parenthood a award called the Margeret Sanger award. It was like he was a big supporter of Planned Parenthood. Anyone remember anything to validate this??
 
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Southernpatriot said:
I read in a article that in 1966 King recieved from Planned Parenthood a award called the Margeret Sanger award. It was like he was a big supporter of Planned Parenthood. Anyone remember anything to validate this??

Yes, but at that time Planned Parenthood had nothing to do with abortion, but rather birth control. Surely you are not trying to claim he supported abortion, of which you will find no proof. Tell me, after reading this except, what is wrong with what he is saying?

Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.
There is a striking kinship between our movement and Margaret Sanger's early efforts. She, like we, saw the horrifying conditions of ghetto life. Like we, she knew that all of society is poisoned by cancerous slums. Like we, she was a direct actionist — a nonviolent resister. She was willing to accept scorn and abuse until the truth she saw was revealed to the millions. At the turn of the century she went into the slums and set up a birth control clinic, and for this deed she went to jail because she was violating an unjust law. Yet the years have justified her actions. She launched a movement which is obeying a higher law to preserve human life under humane conditions. Margaret Sanger had to commit what was then called a crime in order to enrich humanity, and today we honor her courage and vision; for without them there would have been no beginning. Our sure beginning in the struggle for equality by nonviolent direct action may not have been so resolute without the tradition established by Margaret Sanger and people like her. Negroes have no mere academic nor ordinary interest in family planning. They have a special and urgent concern.

Recently the subject of Negro family life has received extensive attention. Unfortunately, studies have overemphasized the problem of the Negro male ego and almost entirely ignored the most serious element — Negro migration. During the past half century Negroes have migrated on a massive scale, transplanting millions from rural communities to crammed urban ghettoes. In their migration, as with all migrants, they carried with them the folkways of the countryside into an inhospitable city slum. The size of family that may have been appropriate and tolerable on a manually cultivated farm was carried over to the jammed streets of the ghetto. In all respects Negroes were atomized, neglected and discriminated against. Yet, the worst omission was the absence of institutions to acclimate them to their new environment. Margaret Sanger, who offered an important institutional remedy, was unfortunately ignored by social and political leaders in this period. In consequence, Negro folkways in family size persisted. The problem was compounded when unrestrained exploitation and discrimination accented the bewilderment of the newcomer, and high rates of illegitimacy and fragile family relationships resulted.

For the Negro, therefore, intelligent guides of family planning are a profoundly important ingredient in his quest for security and a decent life. There are mountainous obstacles still separating Negroes from a normal existence. Yet one element in stabilizing his life would be an understanding of and easy access to the means to develop a family related in size to his community environment and to the income potential he can command.
 
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Southernpatriot

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Well to anyone who wants to read some interesting info on the infamous Michael King. Read the Jan.19 1998 article in Newsweek . Its on pg 62. :sleeping_2:
 
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Southernpatriot said:
He seemed to want blacks to get involved in responsible family planning. Present day Planned Parenthood is a very immoral organization.

That may be so, but what on earth does that have to do with MLK? It's not like he could see into the future and predict that 1. the SCOTUS would legalize abortions, and 2. that Planned Parenthood would be leading proponent of pro-choice organizations.

Do you have any particular problems with what he actually said about PP and family planning in the 60's?
 
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Southernpatriot said:
Well to anyone who wants to read some interesting info on the infamous Michael King. Read the Jan.19 1998 article in Newsweek . Its on pg 62. :sleeping_2:

Who? :confused:
 

DeeJay

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Southernpatriot said:
Well to anyone who wants to read some interesting info on the infamous Michael King. Read the Jan.19 1998 article in Newsweek . Its on pg 62. :sleeping_2:

Back to the "he changed his name so he must be evil" argument. I hope you are willing to extend this to every person who changes their name.

John Wayne was born Marion Morrison. Was he evil?
 
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Southernpatriot

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I wouldnt call MLK evil.But he wasnt the saint so many make him out to be. Point being he doesnt deserve the recognition he gets. The facts to back this up are so numerous. Problem is too few bother to look them up. They are afraid of being called a racist. I hope in the future someone of European descent with a colorful background as King's begins to get as undeserved recognition as he has. I hope the truth is exposed then as well. Why can't people concede he is'nt the saint the media makes him out to be? He certainly isnt deserving of nearly the entire country coming to a standstill.
 

Southernpatriot

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By the way was John Wayne guilty of plagiarism? Was John Wayne a apostle of Socialism? Did John Wayne condemn Capitalism? Research the speech given in Atlanta Sept. 1967.
 

DeeJay

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Southernpatriot said:
I hope in the future someone of European descent with a colorful background as King's begins to get as undeserved recognition as he has. I hope the truth is exposed then as well.

Would you be so diligent in pointing out those flaws?

You are telling me that you can not find a person of European desent that has the prominense of MLK that also has flaws?
 

DeeJay

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Southernpatriot said:
By the way was John Wayne guilty of plagiarism? Was John Wayne a apostle of Socialism? Did John Wayne condemn Capitalism? Research the speech given in Atlanta Sept. 1967.

Start a thread. :type:
 
MLK.......Now I understand......

DeeJay said:
I was hoping we could skip this thread this year. :BangHead: :BangHead: :tonofbricks:
:BangHead: I realize NOW, what you were saying when I finished reading all the threads...I UNDERSTAND NOW...............
 

DeeJay

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ROSAMARIA FABRIZIO said:
:BangHead: I realize NOW, what you were saying when I finished reading all the threads...I UNDERSTAND NOW...............


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There are things you can count on every year like clockwork. This is one of them. Others are the Christmas threads and the Halloween threads. Same arguments same people making them.

I find it interesting that some of the same people so willing to point out MLKs flaws wanted to defend the Confederate South and its generals in the history thread.

They find flaw in MLK and Abe Lincoln, but Jackson and Lee were great guys who taught sunday school while fighting to keep slavery in the south.
 
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