And therein lies the problem with your pov. You can say you believe with all your heart, but you cannot be sure you will reign with Christ and thus the whole doctrinal teaching of do good worthy works or else is meaningless because one CANNOT KNOW if the works they are actually performing will be accepted! You can say you believe but you cannot show in scripture any absolute guarantee that your works are worthy. The doctrine is a failure. Sorry brother.
Sorry, but the last time I checked someone's lack of understanding didn't qualify as something being bad doctrine. Just because you can't understand it and get your hands around it doesn't make it false. If you are going to say it's false you are going to have to do so with Scripture not some opinion that shows lack of understanding.
And you can only hope, but at the same time fear that even though you loved Jesus and tried your absolute best you still might be tortured for 1000 years.
And that is right in line with Scripture so I'm not sure what you are looking for. We have a "hope" of glory. It's not a certainty. It's a hope. That's why it's called a hope.
This is why the doctrine has never taken hold.
That may be part of it, but the biggest reason is because of Satanic attack.
Even if you are right, you are still in the same boat as me! You have no assurance that your deeds will be accepted. We both love God, we both strive to do good, but according to your doctrinal pov on this we both could end up in the torture chamber EVEN if you would be right about this one thing!
And?
So you have nothing special by holding onto this doctrine.
Sure I do. It's called the Truth of Scripture. That's pretty special if you ask me.
Believing on this doctrine will not spare you the torture.
That's exactly right. That's why James said you have to have a faith that works. Believing alone will not save you. Believing alone is a dead or worthless faith. It accomplishes nothing unless it moves you to work.
As you said, even one unconfessed sin or one error in any other doctrinal pov will send you to the outerdarkness.
I don't recall saying this. I think you are oversimplifying what I was talking about to try to make your point stronger.
So why boast as if holding this doctrine is somehow going to give you a special pass into the kingdom?
That I am aware of I nor any other kingdom believer has done such.
IF I did advocate any system of serving two masters the consequences would be loss of rewards and the piercing through of many sorrows. That is hardly a system without any reprecussions.
Loss of rewards. Big deal. The smallest slice of paradise pie is nothing to shake a stick at don't you think. Who cares if someone losses something they never had anyway. Again this advocates that one can enjoy everything this word has to offer and still enjoy the riches of heaven.
Hardly a call to die to one's self in this life. In your point of view there is no need to die to self, because everyone ends up in the same place anyway regardless of whether they did or didn't. So why would you?
As I walked you through this in Matt 7 it led you into a problematic situation and you needed to retreat a bit.
Retreat a bit. :laugh: That was a good one. You view of Matthew 7 is pushing a works-based eternal salvation plan. I definitely am not the one that needs to be retreating.
I am disappointed that you could not allow yourself to see the true hopelessness that it leaves with the believer.
Well I guess if you call a "hope of glory" hopelessness then I'll take that every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
I trust others have seen and will avoid the teaching.
And just remember that each time you say this and someone takes you at your word, you are just making judgment day harder on yourself
. Of course that's if we are right. If we're not then you have nothing to worry about, huh
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