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Maybe this is why that cops......
- Thread starter Salty
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Many officers in Georgia have trained on the same simulators. About 10 years ago there was a scenario where officer approaches a man sitting on a bench due to a complaint about drug sales. Man has hand in a paper sack. The scenario could be run two ways. One scenario, he had crackers in the bag. If you shot him for not complying with your order to "let me see your hands" you shot an unarmed man. The other scenario, the man has a pistol in the sack and shoots you with the pistol still in the sack.
I was speechless. Police are doing an impossibly difficult task against monsters like that. OK, I'm just a civilian military analyst, I take apart tactics from a safe place that affords lots of time to think through every angle slowly.
What do you who have been in deadly tactical situations say should be done for law enforcement? I know much better pay and better hours are needed.
What do you make of this talk of "deescalation" in dangerous situations? Of accepting more risk when in the field to build community trust?
The executive order signed today, what do you make of it when fully funded and carrying the force of Law when it gets through Congress? If you need a primer on it, CNBC came up with this executive summary:
Broadly speaking, the order aims to incentivize police departments to update their standards on training and credentialing by rewarding them with federal grant money opportunities.
It also requires the attorney general to create a database to track individual cops on metrics such as excessive use-of-force complaints. That information would be shared between departments and would “regularly and periodically” be made publicly available, the order says.
The order would also give departments incentives to involve trained professionals, such as social workers, to respond to calls for certain nonviolent issues — including mental health, drug addiction and homelessness — rather than police alone.
Here’s what else is in the order:
It also requires the attorney general to create a database to track individual cops on metrics such as excessive use-of-force complaints. That information would be shared between departments and would “regularly and periodically” be made publicly available, the order says.
The order would also give departments incentives to involve trained professionals, such as social workers, to respond to calls for certain nonviolent issues — including mental health, drug addiction and homelessness — rather than police alone.
Here’s what else is in the order:
- The attorney general has the authority to allocate money to state and local law enforcement agencies that are seeking credentials from an certified independent body that assesses their policies and practices;
- Those reviews would look at an agency’s training practices, including use-of-force and de-escalation techniques, along with performance management and community engagement efforts;
- The credentialing bodies must confirm that an “agency’s use-of-force policies prohibit the use of chokeholds — a physical maneuver that restricts an individual’s ability to breathe for the purposes of incapacitation — except in those situations where the use of deadly force is allowed by law”;
- The attorney general must create a database to share between law enforcement agencies that documents “instances of excessive use of force related to law enforcement matters, accounting for applicable privacy and due process rights”;
- The database will also track officer firings, decertifications, criminal convictions for on-duty conduct and civil judgments against officers for “improper use of force”;
- The attorney general and the Health and Human Services secretary will find ways to train officers regarding “encounters with individuals suffering from impaired mental health, homelessness, and addiction” and advise agencies on developing “co-responder programs” in which non-police professionals show up to certain situations alongside cops;
- Within 90 days, the secretary of Health and Human Services will send a summary report to the president on community-support models addressing mental health, homelessness, and addiction;
- Administration officials must pitch proposals to Congress that includes “recommendations to enhance current grant programs to improve law enforcement practices and build community engagement”;
Thanks, but there is no need for a federal database. We have too much central government plus cities are destroying gang databases now so why have a database on the police but it is racist to have one on the criminals? You have to consider that the big corporations who own the media are driving the riots. They make money from white cop black victim and nothing else. Also, this is part of the overblown response to the pandemic and long lockdown.
Low pay is a problem because a man risks his life 24/7 for less than middle class pay.
Low pay is a problem because a man risks his life 24/7 for less than middle class pay.
Police deaths since 1786
Since 1910 - there have been a minimum of 100 LEO deaths/ year
Since 1910 - there have been a minimum of 100 LEO deaths/ year
Scott Downey
Well-Known Member
Need a better way of restraining people. Like a drug in a dart, obvious the taser did not work.
and why didnt it work?
canadyjd
Well-Known Member
Some people have a high tolerance to the tazer. It did work, temporarily, he did go down. Notice the officer risking his life by pulling this man out of traffic while he was tazed.
It is extremely difficult to handcuff a strong man who is actively resisting.
Submission holds are effective.
This was heart wrenching to see. I pray the officers survived and the suspect was caught.
Peace to you
Scott Downey
Well-Known Member
He broke free, got up and grabbed his gun and shot the cops, the taser stops working when it stops sending electrical jolts, but a drug will work until the antidote is given. The drug will make people so woozy they cant walk, they collapse and are still. it works fast.
I dont understand why with today's technology we dont use better tools to incapacitate suspects, must be the politics gets in the way. If people claim not fast enough, then do it like this, the taser also puts the drug in them, and also have rifles loaded with drug darts.
A drug which would suddenly drop the blood pressure will make people instantly collapse. We would rather shoot to kill than come up with something non lethal that really wipes someone out fast.
canadyjd
Well-Known Member
Police should not administer drugs to sedate suspects, I don’t think they can administer drugs at all. I think EMT’s can administer some drugs to save they lives of overdosed subjects, but they are limited.
peace to you
Scott Downey
Well-Known Member
But these are not sedate suspects, they are violent.
but they can administer deadlier bullets?
So why not change the rules.
Centrist
Active Member
Yep. Gets busted and wants to run. Fine. Let him. And in the mean time revoke every license he has. They know who he is. They'll find him.
canadyjd
Well-Known Member
Aren't some suspects so full of illegal narcotics that they are immune to pain?
Scott Downey
Well-Known Member
Immune to pain, yes, which is why a bullet may not stop them. I think a smart weapon could be developed that using AI sizes up the mass of an individual and appropriately automatically selects a dose of a drug to knock them out. Consider that police when they shoot at you, the intent is deadly force, how is the drug not perhaps a less deadly force, although it could still kill just like a bullet, I think the chance of that is less. And dont discount something better as in very fast and durable drugwise to come along than what we have now.
It's a problem, isn't it? I don't know what the answer is.
canadyjd
Well-Known Member
Sci-fi wishful thinking. Not possible. Not practical. Police are not qualified to administer drugs. Opens police to more liability.
A really bad idea.
peace to you
Why should the police be worried about this - when their first concern is to protect
their own life.
How about criminals taking responsibility for their own actions.
Its not that hard to figure out.
Yes, everyone should get their day in court - but when one suspect is able to get away from 2 cops (and I am not blaming the cops) all bets are off!
their own life.
How about criminals taking responsibility for their own actions.
Its not that hard to figure out.
Yes, everyone should get their day in court - but when one suspect is able to get away from 2 cops (and I am not blaming the cops) all bets are off!