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Military mutiny in Venezuela: It Has Started

kyredneck

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Military mutiny in Venezuela: It Has Started

"It's working.

The global effort to persuade the Venezuelan military to begin to revolt against their commanders - by phone calls, web postings, other means, is starting to kick in. The Venezuelan dictatorship said it put down its first revolt from a National Guard unit out in a really miserable slum of Caracas called Petare. Here's the details of what went down in Caracas from the Associated Press:

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Venezuela’s government said Monday it put down a mutiny by a National Guard unit in a poor neighborhood a few miles (kilometers) from Venezuela’s presidential palace.

The uprising triggered protests in the same neighborhood, which were dispersed with tear gas as residents set fire to a street barricade of trash and chanted demands that President Nicolas Maduro leave power.

The armed forces in a statement said that it had captured all those involved in what it described as “treasonous” acts motivated by “obscure interests tied to the far right.”

It said at around 2:50 a.m. (06:50 GMT), a small group of guardsmen took captive a captain in charge of a police station in western Caracas and then moved across the capital in two military trucks to the poor neighborhood of Petare, where they stole a cache of weapons from another outpost.

They met resistance and were caught hours later at a national guard outpost 3 kilometers (2 miles) from the Miraflores presidential palace.

The armed forces said all the weapons had been recovered and the mutinous troops captured.

A few hours earlier, a group of heavily armed national guardsmen published a series of videos on social media saying they won’t recognize President Nicolas Maduro’s government, which has come under increasing domestic and international pressure over a newly launched second term that the opposition-controlled congress and many nations consider illegitimate.

Do you notice that the slum dwellers are protesting against the government, not the mutineers? That's not a good sign for Maduro, just for starters. Back when Maduro's predecessor, Hugo Chavez, was thrown out in an attempted coup in 2002, the poor marched to the palace in Chavez's defense and Chavez and his allies later made political hay from that. That's not what's going on here.

Look at the specific details:

“You asked to take to the streets to defend the constitution, well here we are,” he said in a video shot at night in which several heavily armed men and a national guard truck can be seen in the background.

“You wanted us to light the fuse, so we did. We need your support,” he added.

At daybreak in the adjacent neighborhood of Cotiza, a group of shirtless young men, some with their faces covered, built a barricade across the street with a burning car, heavy sewer grates and a large chunk of concrete.

An angry group of women shouted that they have lived for too long without running water.

“Freedom! Freedom!” they chanted. “Maduro has to go!”

“We must defend our homeland,” Maria Fernanda Rodriguez, a 36-year-old manicurist, told The Associated Press, her eyes welling from the tear gas.

The revolt, which took place in Petare, is not surprising. I've been to Petare and the place is wretched, the full stereotype you imagine of a cinderblock shantytown with corrugated metal roofs, houses angling off mudslide-prone hills precariously and satellite dishes out the glass-less windows, except so much bigger and more overwhelming. Yet, several years ago, the Petare neighborhood dumped and rejected its Chavista orientation and started voting for the opposition, that part of town became a vanguard, one of the first poor areas to utterly reject Chavez and his communism. That's where the revolt happened and it took a lot of bravery to do it.

What it shows that the global campaign to offer cover to Venezuela's military for throwing out what is internationally recognized to be an illegitimate president is beginning to catch steam. And it probably should be catching steam. The troops are being offered cover and support from abroad, through a campaign of phone calls, (Latin American military men to the Venezuelan counterparts they already know), to get out there and revolt. There also is a plan in place to inaugurate a new president, as prescribed by the Chavista constitution (the man, National Assembly president Juan Guaido, happens to be a very brave non-Chavista democrat). Foreign countries such as regional bigfoot Brazil are recognizing Guaido, and others are cutting ties with the Maduroites. The U.S. and Canada are coming close to doing this as well, with U.S. officials openly calling for Venezuela to get rid of this crew and get a new government.

As I argued earlier, it's Operation Boot Maduro, and it's obviously working.

The next step must be to keep the mutinies coming. Hot pursuit is critical. The international community should be right out front in offering support to the mutineers who are undoubtedly being tortured in Chavista dungeons as I write this. Anything to keep problems coming for Maduro are what it's going to take to get him out of there if this what the plan is. One can only hope that more military men will be encouraged by the act and begin to take things into their own hands. For the entire hemisphere, this can't come soon enough...."
 
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LowOiL

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Why appeal the the militia? Because they allowed the government to grab the guns from the average Joe years ago...
and now the civilian populace are basically defenseless (and offenceless not to mention starving). Yes a mob with sticks and stones can with full mind overpower the government, but the government has made sure that they have enough military bribed (with better than average rations) to keep it in good graces... for now...

With things getting worse one imagines that enough of the military will turn on their masters... what they put in place likely will be not much better than what they have now. Probable a dictator with an iron hand.
 

Adonia

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Until the top commanders in the Army rebel against him, Maduro will continue on in power.
 

kyredneck

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Rubio warns Venezuela's Maduro he'd be a fool to underestimate Trump

"As Venezuela surges into chaos, with even some of the military in open rebellion and a major protest planned for today, the U.S. hasn't been idle. President Trump, Vice President Pence, and above all, Sen. Marco Rubio are taking maximum steps to help Venezuelans get rid of its detested socialist regime.

The best stuff is coming from Rubio, who's put out an amazingly splendid series of fighting tweets toward the brutal, embattled dictatorship, which is the only way to get their attention.

Tomorrow in #Venezuela expect Maduro to:
- Cut off internet
- Accuse protestors of violence with fake evidence
- “collectivos” militias to murder & repress
- Hacking social media accounts & websites to spread misinformation
- Arrest of legitimate leaders of National Assembly

— Marco Rubio (@marcorubio) January 23, 2019
If #Venezuela dictator @NicolasMaduro has any friends left they should give him some advice:
- Don’t start a fight you have no chance of winning; &
- Don’t start a fight with someone who has proven he will take actions beyond what anyone thought possible
https://t.co/b0WC67FrGX

— Marco Rubio (@marcorubio) January 23, 2019
#SEBIN officials in #Venezuela should reconsider the plan they have for tomorrow before it’s too late.

You are about to cross a line & trigger a response that believe me you are not prepared to face.

You still have time to avoid this.

— Marco Rubio (@marcorubio) January 22, 2019


Hear that? Bad stuff is coming. Do not underestimate Trump, who likes surprises and likes to go big.

What we are seeing here is psychological warfare at its finest, with Rubio warning Maduro he'd be better off getting out of the country than hanging on, given what's coming for him. It's especially satisfying to hear him – a former political opponent of President Trump who knows firsthand how Trump fights – warning the dictator that he's likely to get it good if he doesn't.

It's clearly not a case of Rubio going off the rails. Rubio, in fact, is a top Republican on the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee and definitely the point man for Latin-communist issues, whether of Cuba, Nicaragua, or Venezuela, the three hellholes of the hemisphere. He warned that he had a meeting last night with Trump, and maybe Maduro ought to let that sink in.

I was scheduled to be in the Florida Panhandle today. But last night @POTUS convened a meeting for today in the Oval Office with himself, @VP & his national security team to discuss #Venezuela.

It’s now clear crisis is about to enter a new phase which will require new options. https://t.co/hhMHrQmp3z

— Marco Rubio (@marcorubio) January 23, 2019
Obviously, Rubio's acting in a tag team with Trump, and Vice President Mike Pence, who's got a direct video address to the Venezuelans out today on Twitter, encouraging them to keep at it, keep fighting to dislodge the illegitimate regime. As the number of Venezuelan "likes" and praise-tweets suggest, it's getting heard.

As the good people of Venezuela make your voices heard tomorrow, on behalf of the American people, we say: estamos con ustedes. We are with you. We stand with you, and we will stay with you until Democracy is restored and you reclaim your birthright of Libertad. pic.twitter.com/ThzIAqBoRn

— Vice President Mike Pence (@VP) January 22, 2019

Pence also has an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal this morning, just in case Maduro doesn't know how to operate his Twitter, and, for the benefit of the U.S. citizens watching, describing just how bad it all is, along with why we Americans should care:

Nine out of 10 citizens live in poverty. Millions lack access to drinking water and food, and the average Venezuelan reports losing significant weight in recent years, with the poorest dropping more than 20 pounds. Three out of four hospitals are abandoned, causing infectious diseases that were once eradicated in our hemisphere to re-emerge and spread.

In Colombia in 2017, my wife and I met a woman who had fled Venezuela with her four grandchildren. She told us that in their old town, the children had to wake up at 4 a.m. every day to get a ticket, then stand in line to redeem it for a piece of bread in the afternoon. Like that family, more than three million Venezuelans have now abandoned their homeland – the hemisphere's largest cross-border mass exodus ever – with another two million expected to follow in 2019.

This is a humanitarian crisis and also a matter of regional security. Vulnerable families often fall prey to human traffickers and criminal organizations. Venezuela's growing black market has attracted criminal syndicates from across the world to launder money and export drugs, weapons and terrorism across the region. In these respects Venezuela is a failed state, and failed states know no borders.

For the sake of our vital interests, and for the sake of the Venezuelan people, the U.S. will not stand by as Venezuela crumbles.

You can bet Maduro will read that one, too. Pence is a big fish, and his polite words of warning to the thugs in Caracas will carry weight. But I think the Rubio warnings, couched in language the Caracas thugs can understand, will do even more.

It's all part of a major U.S. international effort to support the Venezuelans as they try to free themselves from their socialist nightmare. It's part of a plan. Operation Boot Maduro is really underway now, and it's worth it to keep watching...."
 

kyredneck

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Trump Recognizes Venezuelan Opposition Leader in Hit to Maduro

"President Donald Trump on Wednesday recognized the main political opponent of Venezuelan leader Nicolas Maduro as the country's interim president, dramatically stepping up pressure on the embattled administration even as tens of thousands of demonstrators took to the streets in protest.

"Today, I am officially recognizing the President of the Venezuelan National Assembly, Juan Guaido, as the Interim President of Venezuela," Trump said in a statement the White House released Wednesday afternoon.

Trump referenced the Venezuelan National Assembly's recent decision to declare Maduro's election illegitimate and said the office is therefore vacant.

"The people of Venezuela have courageously spoken out against Maduro and his regime and demanded freedom and the rule of law," Trump said. The move comes after Vice President Mike Pence emphasized the U.S. call to action through a televised message yesterday and an op-ed in The Wall Street Journal.

Following an election that was widely boycotted, Maduro was inaugurated to a second six-year term on Jan. 10, prompting widespread street protests across the country that continue to intensify. The developments follow years of a slow collapse of the socialist government Maduro inherited from Hugo Chavez, with inflation rampant, the country's currency practically worthless and shortages of the most basic supplies despite the nation having the largest proven oil reserves in the world.

Opposition activists urged Guaido to assume the presidency, following his election to lead the country's congress on Jan. 5. He has said he is willing to replace Maduro if he has the support of the military and will then call for free elections, Reuters reports.

Maduro has blasted the American activism as fomenting a coup and said Tuesday he would announce new measures to retaliate against the U.S.

""Never before has a high-level official said that the opposition should overthrow the government," Maduro said in response to Pence's comments, Al Jazeera reports.

Intense complications follow Trump's move on Wednesday, including the uncertain fate of Venezuelan diplomats based in the U.S. and the possibility that Maduro could block Guaido's swearing-in or detain him.

Reuters also reports the Trump administration is considering new sanctions against Venezuela's oil markets to further undermine Maduro's government. Trump hinted at such action in his Wednesday statement.

"I will continue to use the full weight of United States economic and diplomatic power to press for the restoration of Venezuelan democracy," Trump said, adding that the U.S. will hold Maduro's administration responsible for any further violence or destabilization in the country."
 

Benjamin

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Maduro has blasted the American activism as fomenting a coup and said Tuesday he would announce new measures to retaliate against the U.S.

Venezuela's Maduro says he is breaking diplomatic relations with U.S. | Reuters

CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro said on Wednesday he was breaking diplomatic relations with the United States, after the Trump administration recognized opposition leader Juan Guaido as the South American country’s interim president.

Speaking to supporters outside the Miraflores presidential palace in Caracas, socialist leader Maduro said he would give U.S. diplomatic personnel 72 hours to leave Venezuela, which is suffering from a hyperinflationary economic collapse.
 

church mouse guy

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Hopefully, Maduro will be gone in a day or two, but he is falling.

Some Cubans in Venezuela might get shot.

Cuba was attached to Chavez, who was charismatic but Maduro is pedestrian. With both Fidel and Hugo dead, the Latin left had no exciting leadership. Ortega is a child molester, Morales was a drug grower, Correa lost power, and Raul is a cranky old drunk.

Cuba will really be broke without being able to help loot Venezuela anymore.

Maybe the Castro family will end up being eaten by sharks in the Bay of Pigs.

Maybe Maduro will end up like Mussolini.

Maybe Pope Francis will have a warrant awaiting him if he ever returns to Argentina.
 

HankD

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Hopefully, Maduro will be gone in a day or two, but he is falling.

Some Cubans in Venezuela might get shot.

Cuba was attached to Chavez, who was charismatic but Maduro is pedestrian. With both Fidel and Hugo dead, the Latin left had no exciting leadership. Ortega is a child molester, Morales was a drug grower, Correa lost power, and Raul is a cranky old drunk.

Cuba will really be broke without being able to help loot Venezuela anymore.

Maybe the Castro family will end up being eaten by sharks in the Bay of Pigs.

Maybe Maduro will end up like Mussolini.

Maybe Pope Francis will have a warrant awaiting him if he ever returns to Argentina.
The beginning of the end of Venezuela?
 

Martin Marprelate

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Getting rid of an evil, incompetent dictator is no guarantee that his successor will be any better.
Witness Zimbabwe.
'Meet the new boss;
Same as the old boss'
The Who.
 

church mouse guy

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Getting rid of an evil, incompetent dictator is no guarantee that his successor will be any better.
Witness Zimbabwe.
'Meet the new boss;
Same as the old boss'
The Who.

It's possible but Venezuela has more oil than Saudi Arabia. Hopefully Latin America is turning away from leftist governments, but many Latinos want papa govierno--daddy government with a big state to guarantee jobs and healthcare. Brazil busted that up. Cuba will lose big time if their troops cannot protect Maduro, which I hope that they can't because Cubans are not popular in Venezuela.
 

Adonia

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Did anyone mention Operation Just Cause and Manuel Noriega?

I think we are involved in enough military adventures at this point in time. This revolution needs to be done by the people of Venezuela, though I wouldn't object to us sending weapons to them so that they could fight for their own liberty.
 

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Mexico is probably caught in the middle because of financial interests and the personal nature of AMLO but I doubt if Mexico is much involved in actively supporting Maduro. Mexico is probably closer to Cuba for the last sixty years.

Cuba, of course, runs Venezuela and provides security for Maduro. Bolivia is part of ALBA and may be largely doing what Raul Castro wants.

Turkey is tied into Cuba somehow. Perhaps Cuban proximity to the USA attracts Turkey. Members of the Castro Family have taken long luxurious vacations in Turkey. The Castros allowed a mosque to be built in Havana to show their solidarity with Iran and the Turkey. This is curious because it is thought that the mother of Fidel and Raul was Jewish.

Russia has military interests in Cuba and was disappointed when Fidel and Hugo both died and there was no rabble-rouser to take their places to lead ALBA.

Syria is a Russian ally and Cuban troops recently fought with Russia in Syria but since have returned home.

Where is China in all this? China was very active in ALBA and tried to build a canal through Nicaragua and wanted to build a railroad from Brazil to Peru for the transportation of soybeans to China, but here is not even a highway in that part of the world so the Chinese engineers are nuts on that point.
 

church mouse guy

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Another version of "Just Cause" is still possible.

Couldn't the Colombians and others send in troops? The USA does not want to be involved with troops in Latin America anymore.

As for Mexico, I heard Silvio Canto say that they like to stay out of other people's business. He thought AMLO should say something.
 

HankD

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Couldn't the Colombians and others send in troops? The USA does not want to be involved with troops in Latin America anymore.

As for Mexico, I heard Silvio Canto say that they like to stay out of other people's business. He thought AMLO should say something.
Sure church mouse - there are many permutations of what will happen, I believe a Noriega venue is high on the probability list.

However it has been said that Putin has threatened Trump to STAY OUT of Venezuela!

So the "Just Cause" probability has dire consequences.

If it happens and Trump calls Putin's bluff then we will probably revisit another historical crises - JFK and Nikita Khrushchev's possibility of WWIII.

IMO WWIII is inevitable (apart from the grace of God of course).
 

kyredneck

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This is curious because it is thought that the mother of Fidel and Raul was Jewish.

Once again:
Fidel Castro half Jewish

A discussion of the history of the rise and spread of communism with no mention of Jewish involvement is akin to a discussion of the history of gunpowder with no mention of the Chinese.

"...Support for Castro was nearly universal among the Jews when he overthrew the dictator Fulgencio Batista.

But within two years, after Castro declared Cuba an atheistic state, nationalized businesses and other properties, and introduced communism, some 12,000 Jews joined thousands of other Cubans fleeing the country...."
 
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