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Millenium or Eternal Salvation

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by 2 Timothy2:1-4, Jul 24, 2007.

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  1. 2 Timothy2:1-4

    2 Timothy2:1-4 New Member

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    Colossians 1:14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, F3 the forgiveness of sins.

    Colossians 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, 20 and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

    Are these verses speaking to the Millenium or eternal salvation?
     
    #1 2 Timothy2:1-4, Jul 24, 2007
  2. blackbird

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    Eternal salvation
     
    #2 blackbird, Jul 25, 2007
  3. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    Is that possible since it was written to believers?
     
    #3 2 Timothy2:1-4, Jul 25, 2007
  4. Amy.G

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    It wasn't written, or rather spoken to believers. Jesus was speaking to unbelieving Jews.

    How can you offer eternal life to someone who already has it? :confused:
     
    #4 Amy.G, Jul 25, 2007
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    Jesus didn't write Colossians. How do you get an offer of eternal life out of 'we have redemption'?
     
    #5 James_Newman, Jul 25, 2007
  6. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    Amy I am not on the ME side of things but this epistle was written to the church in Colossea.
     
    #6 2 Timothy2:1-4, Jul 25, 2007
  7. Rufus_1611

    Rufus_1611 New Member

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    Concur...

    "To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."- Col 1:2​
     
    #7 Rufus_1611, Jul 25, 2007
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    I'm sorry 2 Timothy. I obviously got the scriptures confused. I was thinking of the verses in John in the other thread. :eek:

    I know you're not on the ME side. I'll go back and read the OP.

    Open mouth, insert foot! I feel dumb. :laugh:
     
    #8 Amy.G, Jul 25, 2007
  9. Hope of Glory

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    Redemption is a family matter. Only a kinsman can redeem you. It's not how you get into the family.
     
    #9 Hope of Glory, Jul 25, 2007
  10. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    Scripture needed.
     
    #10 2 Timothy2:1-4, Jul 25, 2007
  11. J. Jump

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    Check out the book of Ruth.
     
    #11 J. Jump, Jul 25, 2007
  12. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    How about lets use scripture instead of just reasoning and be specific.
     
    #12 2 Timothy2:1-4, Jul 25, 2007
  13. J. Jump

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    Last time I checked Ruth was still considered Scripture. And it's not that long a book so just look for the references to redeemer and you will see that the redeemer and the one needing redemption were family.
     
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    Are you saying that we (NT believers) were part of the family before we were saved? What family were we part of?
    The kinsman redeemer was part of OT Law. What does that have to do with Gentiles?
     
    #14 Amy.G, Jul 25, 2007
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    Are you going to make your case with scripture?
     
    #15 2 Timothy2:1-4, Jul 25, 2007
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    Does your Bible not have Ruth or something? No I'm not going to lay everything out. You have already shown on enough occasions that you are not interested. Yet you constantly want to be shown more and more. That's what I truly don't understand about you folks.

    You are adamant about it being wrong, but yet you keep demanding more and more questions be answered.

    Go read the book of Ruth if you want to know.
     
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    Nope.

    The OT is full of types of NT truths.
     
    #17 J. Jump, Jul 25, 2007
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    The Kinsman redeemer is a "type" of Christ.
     
    #18 2 Timothy2:1-4, Jul 25, 2007
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    Scripture please.
     
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    Sure. The word for redeemer is goel. It is used of both Boaz (Ruth 3:12) ans Christ(Psalm 103:4) the story of Ruth and Boaz illustrates mans need to have a redeemer. And since all of Scripture is Christ centered (Luke 24:27,44) we can see this as a type of Christ.
     
    #20 2 Timothy2:1-4, Jul 25, 2007
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