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Missing from the NIV

Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by Pioneer, Sep 13, 2002.

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  1. Pioneer

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    Here is a partial list of complete verses that are missing in the NIV. Check the numbering sequence. These verses do not appear in the text of the NIV.

    Matthew 17:21
    Matthew 18:11
    Matthew 23:14
    Mark 9:44
    Mark 9:46
    Mark 11:26
    Mark 15:28
    Luke 9:56
    Luke 17:36
    Luke 23:17
    Acts 8:37
    Acts 28:29
    Romans 16:24
    I John 5:7 (This is a blatant case of deception. The NIV splits verse 6 and verse 8 to create a verse 7)

    The word "hell" does not appear in the Old Testament text of the NIV.

    The name of Jesus is removed 36 times.
    The name of Christ is removed 44 times.
    The name of Lord is removed 35 times.
    The name of God is removed 31 times.
    Other names of deity are removed 30 times.

    The resource material used for the above information is the booklet entitled "Modern Bibles - the Dark Secret" by Jack Moorman.
     
    #1 Pioneer, Sep 13, 2002
  2. Ed Edwards

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    If believe:

    God, by His Divine Providence, has preserved
    His infallible written word for this generation
    in each English Translation.

    Therefore i can also state as truth:

    God, by His Divine Providence, has preserved
    His infallible written word for this generation
    in the NIV.

    Will these alleged variations change
    your own personal convictions, doctrines,
    or faith?
     
    #2 Ed Edwards, Sep 13, 2002
  3. BrianT

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    How would you respond to someone who told you that those verses were not "missing" in the NIV, but instead "added" to the KJV?

    Verse numbering was not added until the 1400s, so perhaps the numbering sequence is giving you a false impression.

    There is a chapter in this downloadable book which you need to read.

    And yet the name "Jesus" occurs *300* more times in the NIV than the KJV. See this link
     
    #3 BrianT, Sep 13, 2002
  4. Pioneer

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    Proverbs 30:6 - "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."
     
    #4 Pioneer, Sep 13, 2002
  5. Pioneer

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    That argument doesn't hold up for 2 reasons:
    #1 - The Textus Receptus was here for over 350 years before the Westcott and Hort Greek Text (all modern versions are based upon the Westcott and Hort Text)
    #2 - The KJV was here for over 350 years before the NIV ever came to existence.
     
    #5 Pioneer, Sep 13, 2002
  6. Bible-belted

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    That argument doesn't hold up for 2 reasons:
    #1 - The Textus Receptus was here for over 350 years before the Westcott and Hort Greek Text (all modern versions are based upon the Westcott and Hort Text)
    #2 - The KJV was here for over 350 years before the NIV ever came to existence.    </font>[/QUOTE]This is false. The TR is but a particular reading derived from a collection of manuscripts. The NA27 and UBS4 GNTs use all the same manuscripts the TR does, plus some that are older. So in fgact it can be argued that the UBS and NA are "older" in that their readings derive from earlier witnesses. What matters is the reading in the GNT, not the translation. To say that the translation itself is older does not prove a thing beyond chronology. There are english translations that predate the KJV, does that make them better? I doubt yo'd want to follow your logic consistantly.

    Oh, and the NA27 and UBS4 are different from the Westcott and Hort GNT.
     
    #6 Bible-belted, Sep 13, 2002
  7. try hard

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    Pioneer, I would like to know your thoughts on the thread entitled "No words ever changed, just the spelling".

    By the way, which KJV are you talking about? :confused:
     
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  8. try hard

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    Nevermind. I looked at your website and it says that you stand solely upon the 1611 King James Bible as the final authority. :eek: :rolleyes:
     
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  9. BrianT

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    Maybe he's trying to tell us "older is better". ;)
    [​IMG]
     
    #9 BrianT, Sep 13, 2002
  10. Bible-belted

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    Maybe he's trying to tell us "older is better". ;)
    [​IMG]     </font>[/QUOTE]Hmmm.... I wonder what year his car is...
     
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  11. BrianT

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    Yes, I agree it wrong for the KJV to add to his words. [​IMG]
     
    #11 BrianT, Sep 13, 2002
  12. Japheth

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    It is not about ADDING words; it is about ommiting words. It was the Gnostics and Philosophers of Alexandria,Egypt that followed a person who mutilated himself(Matt 19:12). These are the ones that brought forth the Alexandrian North African text that the MV'S are based on!!The verses were presented;and the NIV came up short..

    [ September 13, 2002, 05:46 PM: Message edited by: Japheth ]
     
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  13. BrianT

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    Ah, I see. So you think the KJV is omitting words in places like Acts 4:25 and Jude 1:25. OK, got it! [​IMG]
     
    #13 BrianT, Sep 13, 2002
  14. Japheth

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    No,I said the NIV, NOT the KJV. Bottom line;I believe(unlike many) that we have a perfect infalable word OF GOD!!!!! I believe he preserved it just like he said he would(Psa 12:6-7)The NIV is the one under fire here in this thread; and it has come up very short..
     
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  15. BrianT

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    I was talking about the NIV. The KJV has omitted words present in the NIV. You said the NIV came up short, but passages like these show you are making a false argument.

    And yet that verse was a lie in 1605, right? If was true, the KJV was wrong to deviate from the perfectly preserved word of God already in existence. ;)

    And that fire may be misdirected, for you have not shown these are in fact omissions in the NIV, instead of additions in the KJV. ;)
     
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  16. Scott J

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    Japheth, You have been shown by DocCas and others that the ONLY proper interpretation of Psalms 12:5-7 in English or Hebrew is that it is referring to the preservation of the godly man, not words. Continuing in such an error when the truth has been declared and proven demonstrates unteachableness, pride, and hardness against sound doctrine.

    Unless you have proof from scripture or scholarship that the KJV is the standard rather than the originals then you have no foundation for your claims.
     
    #16 Scott J, Sep 13, 2002
  17. Anti-Alexandrian

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    The NIV removes Hell from Proverbs 23:14.Made a IDOL SHEPHERD into a worthless one Zech 11:17,lose respect for the word and words of God by messing up Psa 138:2 so his WORD is not EXALTED above his name. :rolleyes:
     
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  18. Scott J

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    What do you believes delivers a soul from hell? I believe it is saving faith in Jesus Christ.

    Do you really believe it is the rod of correction? Are all children who are spanked for their disobedience going to heaven?
     
    #18 Scott J, Sep 13, 2002
  19. Japheth

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    The KJV is all the proof I need(Rom 14:23)And as far as Scholarship goes,it don't impress me any!!! And the original are out of reach; I have all the foundation I need, it is called FAITH!!! in KNOWING God will DO WHAT HE SAID!!!!
     
    #19 Japheth, Sep 13, 2002
  20. Mrs KJV

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    Up until 20 years ago the area that we lived in all churches taught that the KJV was the only bible and the rest were a manifestation or satan. I live in a very strict religious community were things are excepted very slowly. Before the new translations have came out all older bibles like ones from the early 1800's all contain the textus receptus as its word. These didn't even have to identify they were King James Versions because this is all they had. Spirituality has been on a down fall since the new versions have came in. People now doubt the word of God. [​IMG]
     
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