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Moral Law vs Civil Law

TP: Is there not a danger in being too conscious of following the letter of the law -- moral or civil?

HP: I believe that if one were to speak despairingly of following something to the ‘letter of the law’ one would not be addressing the outward action in particular, but rather one would be judging a wrong intent driving the outward action. It would be as to say ones motivation for doing it, or the intent behind it, would be in line with selfishness and not love towards God and their fellowman.

In dealing with actions that are moral in nature, outward actions are nothing more or less than the necessitated consequences of intents formed within the heart of man. Morality, or praise and blame in any moral sense, is always in light of the intent of the heart. Apart from intent, no morality can be predicated of an action and no punishment or reward properly meted out.
 

hillclimber1

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DHK said:
I am not trying to be deliberately confrontational, but just pointing out the facts.
How can I conscientiously stand in front of the pulpit and preach to my congregation avoid sin, to keep the law, if I am a hypocrite that deliberately breaks the law? My children, who tralvel with me all the time will see right through that. It it is ok for father to sin and go against his own convictions, then his convictions don't mean much. I believe many pastors have had children go astray for precisely those reasons--hypocrisy in the home--preaching one standard and living another.

The basic religious foundation of every educational institution in America is humanism. Our children are bombarded with it on a daily basis. Humanism teaches that there are no absolutes. Are we going to teach that very principle and reinforce it by our own actions. The Ten Commandments are absolutes. There are many absolutes in the Bible. We beleive in absolutes. But the only absolute in humansism is "there are no absolutes." It is a philosophy of relativism which leads to anarchy. We don't have the right to set our own laws. Laws were not made to be broken (contrary to some people's thinking).

When I keep the speed limit, and see vehicles zoom past me, I often see those same vehicles pulled over and fined or ticketed for their crime. I don't have any speeding tickets. I may have to drive in the right lane of the highway, but that doesn't bother me. What does bother me is large trucks who refuse to keep the speed limit and are passing most of the vehicles on the hiway in the left lane of the hiway. Usually the sign says: "Trucks use right lane."

Statistics (in our province) say that speeding is the #1 cause of road accidents. Should we also be a contributing factor to that statisitic by breaking the law? One can rationalize all they want by thinking they are driving more safely by speeding, but I don't buy it. Just because everyone else is doing it doesn't make it right.
If I obey all speed limits, I will lose my job, and my family will suffer. Guaranteed. But that is not going to happen. I'm still going to drive as I do now, with a completely clean conscience, and it is up to you legalists on here to deal with it.
 
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DHK

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hillclimber1 said:
If I obey all speed limits, I will lose my job, and my family will suffer. Guaranteed. But that is not going to happen. I'm still going to drive as I do now, with a completely clean conscience, and it is up to you legalists on here to deal with it.
When there obvious flaws in the road system (or whateverr) we petition the city council (if that is their jurisdiction), and in time it usually gets changed. There is an answer for everything, and a reason for everything.
 

Shiloh

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If I obey all speed limits, I will lose my job, and my family will suffer. Guaranteed. But that is not going to happen. I'm still going to drive as I do now, with a completely clean conscience, and it is up to you legalists on here to deal with it.by the hillclimber"1"

Another off the wall definition of "legalist."
 

hillclimber1

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DHK said:
When there obvious flaws in the road system (or whateverr) we petition the city council (if that is their jurisdiction), and in time it usually gets changed. There is an answer for everything, and a reason for everything.

The trucking industry is in non-stop talks with regulators. California doesn't care. The last batch of trucking rules resulted from a lawsuit brought against DOT over truckers "Hours of service". It was a Jr. High (I think) girls class project, with help from her father, and it has resulted if great hardship for truckers. This particular one is not allowing truckers enough time to get there. (over simplification)

And for the last time, I'm tired of this matter, and your tone. You go ahead and preach your sermon 2 or 3 times a week and I'm out there, unable to fellowship except the occasional Wed. night. It's tough enough being a trucker, dealing with bad tempered people all day and most nights, while trying to provide for my family, and then face this crap on here from supposedly like minded Christian people. I've had all I can take of this holier than thou attitude. I'm sick of it.
 
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