More Obama Ignorance: Terror groups have 'legitimate claims'

[Revmitchell]

JERUSALEM – The Hamas and Hezbollah terrorist organizations have "legitimate claims" that are being "weakened" by the violence the terror groups carry out, Sen. Barack Obama recently stated in largely unnoticed remarks in the New York Times


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[Bible-boy]

They have a legitimate claim that they carry out their acts of terrorism and violence because the Quran tells them to do so...

 

[poncho]

They have a legitimate claim that they carry out their acts of terrorism and violence because the Quran tells them to do so...

You say this as if it's an indisputable fact. If it's as you say then surely you'll have no trouble proving it. Right?

 

[donnA]

What part do you disagree with? Their claims are legitimate? They are terrorists? They committed acts of violence? Or the quran tells them to do it?
The quran does say so, we all know this, it's been posted here enough times in the past 2 or 3 years, we also know they are terrorists, they even claim terrorism acts, which of course by nature are violent.

 

[Revmitchell]

You say this as if it's an indisputable fact. If it's as you say then surely you'll have no trouble proving it. Right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVzxkioG5LQ&feature=related

 

[poncho]

What part do you disagree with? Their claims are legitimate? They are terrorists? They committed acts of violence? Or the quran tells them to do it?
The quran does say so, we all know this, it's been posted here enough times in the past 2 or 3 years, we also know they are terrorists, they even claim terrorism acts, which of course by nature are violent.

I was addressing Bible Boy. He is well able to respond for himself and back his statements up with more than just faith that everyone will automatically agree with him. Unless he has some objection to doing that which he often "encourages" others to do.

 

[LeBuick]

What part do you disagree with? Their claims are legitimate? They are terrorists? They committed acts of violence? Or the quran tells them to do it?
The quran does say so, we all know this, it's been posted here enough times in the past 2 or 3 years, we also know they are terrorists, they even claim terrorism acts, which of course by nature are violent.

I agree Donna, I believe they do have legitimate claims. The problem has to do with how they communicate their claims and methods to resolve the difference.

 

[LeBuick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVzxkioG5LQ&feature=related

Certainly 100 million people can't be wrong...

 

[Wesjr]

I believe we should support and offer to help defend Israel. To say all "Terrorists" have no claims for justice or that they are all evil is wrong. The "Sons of Liberty" were considered by Britian to be a terrorist group. They burned the HMS Gaspee, the Boston Tea Party, some of their members were Paul Revere, Patrick Henry, John Hancock, Samuel Adams. Our country has not always done the right thing, In 1951 we helped to depose the elected Iranian Prime Minister, we than supported the Shah of Iran, a dictator, for the next 26 years. We supported Saddam in his war against Iran and during that war the U.S. naval ship the USS Vincenns shot down Iran Air Fight 655 killing all 290 aboard. In Afganistan during the 80's, we supported the mujahedeen (holy warriors) in their war against the Soviet Union. Even today the Bush adminstration has had our soldiers training the troops in Georgia and going to put a missile system in Poland. What if Putin was traing Mexican troops and putting missiles in Cuba?

 

[donnA]

I was addressing Bible Boy.

As we've been told by the mods many times. If you post it on an open public forum anyone can respond. It is posted to everyone on a public forum.

 

[Bible-boy]

For those who doubt what I said read this book, Unveiling Islam: An Insider's Look at Muslim Life and Beliefs and verify its references to the Quran from an english translation of the Quran itself, then try and claim I am in error.

I know Dr. Emir Caner personally. As former Muslims he and his brother have given us great insight into the world of Islam.

http://www.amazon.com/Unveiling-Islam-Insiders-Muslim-Beliefs/dp/0825424003/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220928488&sr=8-1

 

[poncho]

For those who doubt what I said read this book, Unveiling Islam: An Insider's Look at Muslim Life and Beliefs and verify its references to the Quran from an english translation of the Quran itself, then try and claim I am in error.

I know Dr. Emir Caner personally. As former Muslims he and his brother have given us great insight into the world of Islam.

http://www.amazon.com/Unveiling-Islam-Insiders-Muslim-Beliefs/dp/0825424003/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220928488&sr=8-1

I never claimed you were in error. I only asked for you to back up your statement. To which you replied "buy this book". So, you make a statement as if it's unequivocal and expect me to shell out money to find out if you're right?

What's that all about? Either you can prove the Quran tells "them" whoever that is to do violence or you can't.

 

[donnA]

many times, over and over, the proof that the quran says this has been posted here on this board.

 

[poncho]

many times, over and over, the proof that the quran says this has been posted here on this board.

So what exactly are you saying here...you guys can make claims without providing corroborating evidence and then expect others to go out and "buy books" or spend hours looking up old threads to verify your statements?

C'mon. Either you can validate your own statements or you can't. Which is it?

 

[Revmitchell]

So what exactly are you saying here...you guys can make claims without providing corroborating evidence and then expect others to go out and "buy books" or spend hours looking up old threads to verify your statements?

C'mon. Either you can validate your own statements or you can't. Which is it?

How about you Poncho?

I don't care what you buy. How's that? And no I don't have to prove my statements each and every time I make one because they're all backed by seven thousand posts filled with mainstream news articles and documents.

You look em up.

Either do your own research and learn what I already have, take my word for it or call me a liar. Pick one, I don't care which.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=51906&page=7

 

[poncho]

How about you Poncho?

Exactly the thread I had in mind too...so, how about you Rev?

It was Ron Paul folks and they were breaking windows, spraying bleach and urine on convention goers. Clearly this was domestic terrorism much in the same vane as the KKK.

It is posted all over the news every night. Watch the tube. They are there with their signs in tow. And by the way I am not the only one who has seen it.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=52671

If I have to validate my statements then so do you all. I expect you to hold to me this standard and from now you can expect me to do the same for you.

Sounds fair to me...how about you?

Now, are you all going to come across with some corroborating evidence that the Quran tells "them" to be violent and carry out terrorist acts or not?

 

[Revmitchell]

Exactly the thread I had in mind too...so, how about you Rev?



http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=52671

If I have to validate my statements then so do you all. I expect you to hold me this standard and from now you can expect me to do the same for you.

Sounds fair to me...how about you?

Now, care to come across with some corroborating evidence that the Quran tells "them" to be violent or not?

First, I don't care if you ever provide one stitch of corroborating evidence.

Second your statement to Bibleboy is convenient and contradictory

Third, nice redirect now stay on topic

Fourth, I already provided evidence in this thread about the quran

 

[poncho]

First, I don't care if you ever provide one stitch of corroborating evidence.

I'm going to provide it to the best of ability from now on anyway so there.

Second your statement to Bibleboy is convenient and contradictory

So does this means he doesn't have to follow the same rules he encourages me to follow?

Third, nice redirect now stay on topic

What? You're the one who swerved off topic to bring up my checked past.

Fourth, I already provided evidence in this thread about the quran

Oh! Well excuse me I thought it was an article from Wing Nut Daily meant to demonize Obama and muslims in general. I saw no evidence in that article that the Quran tells "them" to carry out acts of terrorism and violence. Can you point it out to me? Nevermind Rev I see the link to You Tube now. I must have missed it before. Apologies.

I was hoping someone here could actually quote me some verses from the Quran itself, you know some of the ones that call for muslims to commit all this violence and terrorist acts.

 

[Revmitchell]

Oh! Well excuse me I thought it was an article from Wing Nut Daily meant to demonize Obama and muslims in general. I saw no evidence in that article that the Quran tells "them" to carry out acts of terrorism and violence. Can you point it out to me?

Try post # 5

 

[poncho]

Try post # 5

Yeah I found it. Thanks. Don't suppose you've read the Quran yourself by any chance?

Has anyone here read it? Or have a copy they can quote some of these verses that call for violence and terrorism?