More on the atonement

1 Cor 2:11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. 14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:

1CO 2:16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him?"

But we have the mind of Christ.

The knowable God. The God that reveals Himself to His Children.

johnp.

 

hi Nwells;

We can all know them through His word and His word is just about every where you go not counting some Islamic countries. Yet the gospel has been to most of those, and is understood by those who hear it. The deep things of God are shown to us after we have the faith that come from the gospel.
May Christ Shine His Light On Us all;
Mike

 

If you truly believe that we are made in the image of God, then you must know that what God has revealed in his word, must apply to us the way that God made us! NOT the way that our disobedience pulls us!

By the way, Bonhoeffer's couplet, "All who believe obey, only those who obey believe" is one that I have held near and dear for decades. And of course you will notice what it does not say, "All who are regenerated will obey", but rather "All who believe obey".

 

That is what I have been saying all along!!!

John 15:5 "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing."

 

Then what you are saying is that NNE can read the bible without first being regenerated to be able to do so. Is that what you mean?

If yes, then you misuse John 15:5 to support your claim. Jesus, speaking to his Disciples, AFTER PETER's DECLARATION OF WHO JESUS IS, tells them that they are already clean by means of the word that He has spoken to them, Vs 3. Then he says in vs 4 "Remain in me"...meaning that they are already in Him. Then in vs 5. he says, to wit, "If you do not remain in me you can do nothing"! Or said another way, If you fall away, (lose your faith), you will be like the branches that are collected and thrown on the fire! And that Folks, refutes the myth of OSAS! God the son says so! Why would Jesus repeatedly say, "remain in me" if it were NOT POSSIBLE to Fall away? Poof! another Myth dealt a fatal blow!

Now, John 15:5 cannot possibly support the Calvinist myth of Regeneration before belief, because Jesus is speaking to those who have been with him for 3 1/2 years, and this discourse takes place only a very few hours before the Passion! POOF! another myth slithers away!

In the name of Jesus, Stop MISUSING the scriptures!

 

Wes asks:
Then what you are saying is that NNE can read the bible without first being regenerated to be able to do so. Is that what you mean?


1 Corinthians 2
13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Wes,
Of course man can READ the Bible, BUT: It's like I tried to tell you, that if it were left to man's brain we would NEVER Spiritually UNDERSTAND the Bible.

Sincerely,
Here Now

 

1 Corinthians 2 was written before there was "the Holy Bible" So of course Paul would not tell his reader to go read the word of God! Paul did not have "reference material" dealing with the spiritual part of man because it hadn't been written. So he wrote what he knew about.

This is not brain surgery, don't make it difficult. We have the writings of Paul, or we too would not know of things spiritual. Our brains take in what we hear, what we see, what we read, etc. and ALL of that information is readily available in our brain for our spirit to use. So don't give me this crap about man not being able, it is neither accurate nor palletable.

 

Wes says:
1 Corinthians 2 was written before there was "the Holy Bible" So of course Paul would not tell his reader to go read the word of God! Paul did not have "reference material" dealing with the spiritual part of man because it hadn't been written. So he wrote what he knew about.

I say:
Paul did not need "REFERENCE MATERIAL", his words were given to him by GOD through THE HOLY SPIRIT.

And although the whole Bible was not written at the time many of the books of the Bible were written at the time of Paul's writings.

 

But! God did not give that same information to the Romans, the Ephesians, the Philippians, the Galations the Colossians, the Corinthians, etc. UNTIL PAUL went to them and preached. Then Paul followed up his preaching with letters to those groups of believers. Those letters now form the major part of what we call the New testament! So, give us a break Here now, Paul received his "knowledge" from God, agreed, and Paul had previously been a student of the greatest religious leaders of his day! He knew what the writings of Moses said, he new the writings of the prophets said, but it was not until Jesus "recruited him" and set the record straight in Paul's brain that Paul was able to put what he knew on paper, which is how we receive the very same "word of God"