Most Muslims doubt Israel can exist and meet the needs of the Palestinians.

Carpro,

Thank you for that objective polling data for which we can come to a more objective opinion based on objective data. I think it is particularly encouraging when you look at this part:

I find it further to be encouraging that there is a spreading appetite for democracy and democratic reforms throughout the Middle East in general:

Yes, there are still problems in the Middle East. Yes, the Muslims are not perfect (Neither are we though). But, yes, there is also hope for reform in the Middle East.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I couldn't give a hoot what muzzies think of Israel. The fact remains that God brought that nation into re-existence in 1948 and has kept it despite the frequent attacks made by hostile Arab states. There will never be peace in the middle east until Christ comes again to set up His reign. That nation will never be destroyed because the Lord has set it up in clear fulfillment of Biblical prophecy.

Kind regards to all.

Bob

 

The majority of Palestinians polled, according to the PEW research center, don't want to destroy Israel. They want peace and believe it can happen. Further, you should know that not all Palestinians are Muslims. Many of them are Christians and they would like to have peace there also. And finally, I care about having peace in Israel because I have several friends who live in Israel or whom have family in Israel, and I would like for them to be able to live without terrorism being commonplace. Their opinion counts because it shows that there is much hope rfor peace there regardless of what your pre-mil false theology says.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Amen!

And, as has been mentioned on other threads, Palestinian Christians are leaving Muslim controlled areas, including Bethlehem. They are among the persecuted.

http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp490.htm

 

http://www.melkite.org/sa31.htm

 

Carpro,

I agree with that impression. It is further my impression that many of these Western Countries suffer from the superiority complex delusion.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Your analysis of the return of Israel does not comport with Scripture:

Deuteronomy 30:1-4, KJV
1. And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,
2. And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
3. That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.
4. If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

The return of Israel is conditional on Israel returning to God. Today that means believing in Jesus Christ. Most Israelis are agnostic/atheist. That can hardly be called returning to God.

 

The last verse of Amos makes it clear that the Lord would plant the jews back in the land and that they would never be uprooted from it. Of course, it is commendable that many groups are seeking peace in the middle east but it won't happen. The muzzie groups who want to destroy Israel will not allow peace, this current situation will continue and get worse until Christ comes again. Don't pin false hopes on politicians who are often liars.

Kind regards to all.

Bob

 

Of course, you have proof that most are agnostic/atheist - ah, yes, I see your links. NOT!

But that's neither here nor there - too bad you are among those who have thrown in the towel on the Nation of Israel. God hasn't.

The truth of the matter is, there are Messianic Jews living there as we speak. God always has His remnant.

 

1. Yes, the Muslim terrorists are trying to stop peace from occurring, just as are Jewish extremist organizations such as the Kahanists and members of Kach:

Kach

Kach and Kahane Chai

2. I am still hopeful that there can be peace in Israel, as are 62% of Palestinians and 68% of Israelis. Reciprocity is the first step towards real peace and a two state solution.

Joseph Botwinick

 

The problem with giving the pallies their own state is that it will become a training camp for muzzie terrorists. The current pallie govt. in gaza and the w. Bank cannot contain Hamas and their ilk. By all means try to get peace in the middle east but it will not happen until Christ comes again.

Kind regards to all.

Bob

 

This is right on, except the inference that the politicians lies have any relevance. They are simply ignorant, and have false hopes that they can provide the formula for a lasting peace.

 

The nation of Israel is re-etablished and will once again be prominent in God's plan in his soon to be estblished Kingdom. Every citizen in Israel is under the exact same program of grace that all are under today, either excepting God's redemption through Christ, or rejecting it.

 

Permanent peace, yes, temporary peace---when the anti-christ comes!

I can just see all the proclamations and adulations heaped upon this character who brings "peace" to the mid-east--only to be found out to be a liar and the scourge of any who fail to worship him!

MARANATHA!!!!!!!