Murder in The Bible

[Yeshua1]

I have no “personal benefit” concerning this topic. I am following a clear teaching in scripture. Again, it was through a thorough examination of scripture I found myself unable to continue to support the death penalty.

You can yell (all caps) all you want, but that is a poor substitute to actually addressing 1 Tim 1:15-16 which clearly states Christians have been given an example to follow by our Lord Jesus Christ. We are to follow His example of showing mercy to the worst of sinners, even murderers like Paul. You can accept it or reject it, but there is no reasonable denial that is what the passage teaches.

You stated “ALL murder must be punished by death. Period!” It is plainly untrue that “ALL” murder “must” be punished by death.

I have already given many examples from scripture where murder was not punished by death. These examples include Cain, Moses, David, and Paul.

peace to you

I think that this is an issue Christians can disagree on, but so see that God still permits capital punishment's for certain crimes!

Gacey, Bundy, and delmer come to mind!

 

[Yeshua1]

Eph 2:14. “Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances.”

Jesus has fulfilled and abolished the OT Law.

Peace to you

God view on Murder though predates Mosaic Law!

 

[canadyjd]

I think that this is an issue Christians can disagree on, but so see that God still permits capital punishment's for certain crimes!

Gacey, Bundy, and delmer come to mind!

As I have stated several times in this thread, God have given authority to implement the death penalty to governments.

Christians are called to be different. We are commanded to follow the example of Jesus by showing mercy to the worst of sinners, even murderers like Paul.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

God view on Murder though predates Mosaic Law!

Yes it does. God showed mercy and did not require the death penalty for the murder Cain and the murder Moses.

peace to you

 

[Yeshua1]

As I have stated several times in this thread, God have given authority to implement the death penalty to governments.

Christians are called to be different. We are commanded to follow the example of Jesus by showing mercy to the worst of sinners, even murderers like Paul.

peace to you

Executing them for their sins is not "not showing mercy", as did not the Lord Himself execute judgement upon Sodom?

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes it does. God showed mercy and did not require the death penalty for the murder Cain and the murder Moses.

peace to you

Not required, but still permitted!

 

[canadyjd]

Not required, but still permitted!

That authority has been given to governments.

Would you address the passage of 1 Tim 1:15-16? Doesn’t it tell us to follow the example of our Lord Jesus and show mercy?

Peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Executing them for their sins is not "not showing mercy", as did not the Lord Himself execute judgement upon Sodom?

Well yes, I’d say if you execute someone “for their sins”, you have not shown mercy. That seems rather obvious to me.

But Christians aren’t executing people, governments are executing.

In the US, Christians could possibly serve on juries or as judges who might impose the death penalty.

I believe Christians should recuse themselves in such situations, as it would violate the command of our Lord Jesus to show mercy.

peace to you

 

[robycop3]

Much of the anti-DP sentiment comes from the mistranslation in the KJV of Ex. 13:20-"Thou shalt not KILL." It SHOULD read 'murder', especially as the very next chapter prescribes the DP for certain sins/crimes.

"Kill" means ending the life of anything, from an animal, plant, person, electric current, a nvolleyball possession, etc. while "murder" means to wrongfully & deliberately end the life of another PERSON. Remember, we kill our food by eating it if it's not already dead.

I am in favor of using deadly force if necessary for self-defense, & am in favor of capital punishment.

 

[Yeshua1]

Well yes, I’d say if you execute someone “for their sins”, you have not shown mercy. That seems rather obvious to me.

But Christians aren’t executing people, governments are executing.

In the US, Christians could possibly serve on juries or as judges who might impose the death penalty.

I believe Christians should recuse themselves in such situations, as it would violate the command of our Lord Jesus to show mercy.

peace to you

what is worse then, capital Punishment man does unto Jack the Ripper types. or God in His judgement?

 

[Yeshua1]

Much of the anti-DP sentiment comes from the mistranslation in the KJV of Ex. 13:20-"Thou shalt not KILL." It SHOULD read 'murder', especially as the very next chapter prescribes the DP for certain sins/crimes.

"Kill" means ending the life of anything, from an animal, plant, person, electric current, a nvolleyball possession, etc. while "murder" means to wrongfully & deliberately end the life of another PERSON. Remember, we kill our food by eating it if it's not already dead.

I am in favor of using deadly force if necessary for self-defense, & am in favor of capital punishment.

I just do not buy unto the line that if we kill off a murderer, that we commit them to Hell without mercy, as if they wanted to get saved even!

 

[canadyjd]

what is worse then, capital Punishment man does unto Jack the Ripper types. or God in His judgement?

I’m not sure what that has to do with a Christian following the command of Jesus to show mercy, however, God’s judgement is eternal so it is far “worse”.

Will you give your opinion of the 1 Tim passage? Doesn’t it say Christians are to follow the example of Jesus and show mercy to the worst of sinners, even murderers like Paul.

peace to you

 

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[canadyjd]

I just do not buy unto the line that if we kill off a murderer, that we commit them to Hell without mercy, as if they wanted to get saved even!

Does anyone “want to get save” prior to God Holy Spirit intervening in their life? I don’t believe so.

Prior to God’s intervention, we were all enslaved to sin and condemned to hell. Do we say to ourselves, “at least I didn’t commit murder, or rape or adultery” or whichever sin you think prevents someone from receiving God’s grace?

Can anyone look at someone and determine whether or not God will use that person for the cause of Christ?

One thing is certain, once a person dies, there is no opportunity to be used by God the spread the gospel of grace, mercy, salvation for the worst of sinners, even murderers.

As a great philosopher once said, “do not be so quick to deal out death in judgment”.

peace to you

 

[Yeshua1]

I’m not sure what that has to do with a Christian following the command of Jesus to show mercy, however, God’s judgement is eternal so it is far “worse”.

Will you give your opinion of the 1 Tim passage? Doesn’t it say Christians are to follow the example of Jesus and show mercy to the worst of sinners, even murderers like Paul.

peace to you

God, and is, can show mercy unto someone, but still does not mean cannot execute them for crimes done that warrant that!

 

[Yeshua1]

Does anyone “want to get save” prior to God Holy Spirit intervening in their life? I don’t believe so.

Prior to God’s intervention, we were all enslaved to sin and condemned to hell. Do we say to ourselves, “at least I didn’t commit murder, or rape or adultery” or whichever sin you think prevents someone from receiving God’s grace?

Can anyone look at someone and determine whether or not God will use that person for the cause of Christ?

One thing is certain, once a person dies, there is no opportunity to be used by God the spread the gospel of grace, mercy, salvation for the worst of sinners, even murderers.

As a great philosopher once said, “do not be so quick to deal out death in judgment”.

peace to you

Some crimes are so horrible, that we need to pass the judgement of God upon them and their acts here and now....

 

[canadyjd]

Some crimes are so horrible, that we need to pass the judgement of God upon them and their acts here and now....

No, that just isn’t true. God has not called for Christians to “pass the judgment of God upon them” for their acts. God uses governments to pass judgment.

God has commanded Christians to show mercy to the worst of sinners, even murderers like Paul.

1 Tim 1:15-16? Will you offer an opinion on how it applies to the death penalty.

peace to you

 

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