Music to "stimulate" converts...

Your post made perfect sense. The whole point in that form of worship is the feelin'. And it is "wrong" to employ carnal forms of worship in Christian assemblies.

 

Aaron,

Are you telling us that you aren't affected by the music at your church or by the music that you are championing ? (Which BTW,you never give examples of).

Is worship just an intellectual exercise for you ? No "feelings" ?

Just wondering...

In Christ,

Dale

 

Dear UnchartedSpirit,

If you mean the organist doing little "theatrical riffs" (playing after particular lines in the sermon) ala Rod Parsley, I think that it's clownish and detracts from the sermon and service.

I've been to black churches and was welcomed there to worship, and when someone discovered that I played the conga drums,I was invited to "sit in". :thumbs: I find nothing wrong with their worship.

As for responding with emotion to the music, a simple glimpse at the Scripture and hymn texts will show that they all have emotions and emotional responses within or tied to them. God never condemned a person's feelings, just the motives of their heart. See Matt. 15:7-9 and other Scripture reagrding the "heart".

Of course, emotions can be wrongly used and manipulated. Or made the "standard" by which worship is judged to be "worthy". I've worshipped in quiet settings as well as jubilant, upbeat settings.

I've beem moved by music from Thomas Tallis to Matt Redman in a worship service.

And as to churches where : "The deacons or whoever goes up before the main sermon would be half-singing led-zepplin style, with a full instrumental backup!" The churches that I attended in the past and my current church, that use contemporary worship music (along with traditonal hymns) never would have permitted that kind of music in the service!

Actually, to see white people doing black worship is quite funny ! :laugh:

In Christ,

Dale

 

I saw Rod Parsley on the Tube one evening and in addition to the organ riffs, the whole crowd was standing,-lots were bouncing-,shaking little pom-poms and blowing little whistles.
What was that supposed to be???

 

Bonga Dale! Where have you been hiding? Still beating drums in church? Now all we need are Beaner and Daniel and it'll be a grand reunion of the Ad Hominem Group Against Aaron Club.

My affections and experiences are irrelevant. What matters is the Word of God, which you abandon every time you engage me. :type:

Good to see ya, though!:wavey:

Putting the "mental" in Fundamentalism,
Aaron.

 

Dear Gayla,

You wrote:" I saw Rod Parsley on the Tube one evening and in addition to the organ riffs, the whole crowd was standing,-lots were bouncing-,shaking little pom-poms and blowing little whistles.
What was that supposed to be???"

Answer: The Annointing of God !!!!!!:laugh:

It's pathetic...:tear:

In Christ,

Dale

 

Re: Music to Stimulate Converts...

Dear Aaron,

Yes,I'm still playing the conga drums and other hand drums in church. Serving God with the musical gift that He gave me,as I have done over the past 32 years !

You also wrote: " My affections and experiences are irrelevant. What matters is the Word of God, which you abandon every time you engage me."

You accuse me of abandoning Scripture...At least,I don't twist it to fit my pet preferences on worship music !

As for one's "affections and experiences" in worship... I would agree that they shouldn't be the measure of what constitutes worship.
But, I can't help why God wrote the Bible,filling it with emotions and "feelings" in each book.

Again,regarding "affections and experiences" in worship...Why are you afraid to share them ?

Where in the Bible does it say that God should be worshipped in stoic solemnity only, no emotions?

Then,why does the Bible use words such as: sorrow,rejoice,
contentment, gratitude, guilt,etc.,if stoic worship is the only valid way to worship ?

Also,what about the hymns ? I guess that the composers and poets wasted their time and energies on writing them for the church to sing.

You are awfully quick to belittle & insult others that don't worship as you do. Where in the Bible does it say that it's fine with God to do so ?

BTW, my church uses all styles of music from Sarum plainchant to hymns, classical sacred, to Contemporary (Chris Tomlin,Paul Baloche,Matt Redman,etc.).

In Christ,

Dale

 

Let's keep in mind...

Jesus was extremely harsh in Matthew 12:22-34 toward people who saw a "God event" happen and declared that it was not of God (but was rather of Satan). Jesus made reference to blasphemy in said passage. Just wanted to throw that out.

 

Re: Music to Stimulate Converts...

Dear RBell,

You wrote: " Let's keep in mind...
Jesus was extremely harsh in Matthew 12:22-34 toward people who saw a "God event" happen and declared that it was not of God (but was rather of Satan). Jesus made reference to blasphemy in said passage. Just wanted to throw that out. "

Excellent point! :thumbs: Bravo! :applause:

In Christ,

Dale

 

It's an equal an opposite error to call holy something that is really profane. We're warned that Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. So how does one really know whether something is a "God event" (puh-leeze!) or not?

Where do you stand? Is musical style in church a matter of personal preference or does God have a will concerning musical style?

 

Of course, you have yet to provide a scripture to back up your a priori assumption that certain worship music, because of its style, is inherently evil. You make the assumption, then proof-text it. You always have.

If God moves, and one sees over time the Spirit of God working in and through a church, you can be assured that His Spirit is not grieved.

Let me translate what Aaron means by his last sentence:

Translation: My tastes/preferences and God's will are one and the same.

 

Re: Music to "Stimulte Converts...

Dear Rbell,

You wrote: " Let me translate what Aaron means by his last sentence:


Quote:
Is musical style in church a matter of personal preference or does God have a will concerning musical style?

Translation: My tastes/preferences and God's will are one and the same."

Actually, he has said the same in earlier posts (going back over 2 years) in this forum regarding worship music.

You have Aaron "pegged" perfectly! :laugh: :thumbs: :applause:

In Christ,

Dale

 

Please read Dt. 12. God emphatically states that Israel is not to worship Him in the manner that the canaanites worshiped their false gods.

Sincerely,

Dan V.

 

lol
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the worship is there for the christians.
not the non-christians.
non-christians can't worship that which they don't believe.
thus they can't be 'wooed' or 'hypnotized' into thinking they can.

it may seem like they can - but would it be true worship? and if it's not true worship - is it worship at all?

uncharted... stop tryin to bash good music in services - whether it be black or white (in relation to enthusiasm)

i love the black churches. i find they're more on fire for God than the whites.
why? because of the enthusiasm they have.

i get more pumped for Christ when i go to a church that has a black pastor (he was from haiti) - than when i go to a church with a white pastor.

if you don't like - or don't agree with any of it... ya can D.W.I.
God bless