Muslim Cleric calls women 'meat'

A ridiculous analogy any way. Whose fault? "If you take out..." Neither the 'meat' nor the cat are at fault.

On the other hand, how many Baptist preachers speak of girls dressing modestly out of respect? In Islam, dressing modestly is often defined more strictly, but the desired results are not dissimilar, are they?

 

There, as here, 'modesty' is subject to interpretation. Perhaps he is using his scripture to justify his cultural norms.

You're not opposed to being PC then?

So, when is it justifiable to attack and brutalize women?

Fifty years ago, things were similar here before the so-called feminazi movement. If a woman were raped, if she were not a virgin, her testimony was automatically suspect. In some states, her testimony had to be collaborated by an eye-witness. It was often seen as a crime against the men associated with her; by law, her husband, father, brother or son could avenge her rape, but if she avenged it herself, she was subject to prosecution. If a woman wore a short skirt or was alone at night, well, she was asking for it. It has not been that long ago.

So yeah, the cleric's a pig, but he's hardly unique to the world.

 

Actually, it wasn't all that long ago:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1880976,00.html#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=Britain

I wouldn't be too surprised if the US got roughly the same results.

 

Me either, and it is truly a sad commentary when someone believes that revealing clothing or flirting is code for "Rape me!". Blame the victim is not right in any culture.

 

Your distinctions are peculiar. I'm not in favor of anyone, man or woman, being attacked, raped and brutalized by anyone, be he Muslim, Christian or Heathenish.

I agree.

They are not horrid dogs, they are horrid men. Would visit the same punishment had the religions been reversed? I don't recall your being this outraged at the US soldiers accused of raping a young Iraqi girl.

Or womankind as the case may be.

 

So? Would a different justification make it any better or worse?

I have not defended them so you can just stop that nonsense right now.

And I don't see your distinction.

 

That may be a 'sad commentary,' but the situation is the same if one is going on a trip for several days or weeks and fails to cancel newspaper subscriptions or stop mail delivery or arrange for the yard to be mowed. Or if one is stupidly vain and buys gold wheel rims for one's car which must be parked on a publicly accessible lot. Or if someone bumps into you and you call them "<language edited for BB - LE>...." In each of these cases one increases one's risk factor of being criminally victimized. Whether we think the excuse for the crime has any validity is beside the point; we should not increase the risk factors of being victimized.

 

I definitely want to be on your good side:thumbs:

 

It's not beside the point if the rapist is not convicted because the victim was drunk or flirty. Your burglar is not let go because the house's owner was careless.

 

That is not what I said. I said we should not increase the risk factors of being criminally victimized. But flaunting what we have is still never an excuse for a crime.

 

Again, I have not defended them, so please stop saying I have.

Christian or merely not Muslim?

Atheists, Hindus, Buddhists, etc also do not wear hajibs.

Cars?

Um, cleric as in singular. Other Islamic clerics have disavowed his statements. And he has apologized (linkie)

Again, this is one cleric, that is not what he said and he apologized for what he did say.

Yeah, but what about desecrating their corpses?

Um, right...they rape a young girl because they just love her so much.

Men also get raped.

You keep saying that about me, but it isn't true. I am concerned that you use the horrible misdeeds of a few to spread fear and hate of all Moslem men.

 

You make the mistake of thinking rapists are sexually motivated. Rape is a crime of violence and intimidation. 90 year old grandmothers and infants are raped. It uses sex as a weapon, but is not sexually motivated.