My experience at a revival - Baptism of Holy Spirit? Please Help!

[D28guy]

His Blood,

You posted...

My version:
1 Corinthians 14:2 (KJV) For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. {understandeth: Gr. heareth}"

OK, and it still...even with the word "unknown" in there...it still means that if someone is PERSONALLY and PRIVATELY speaking to God in an unknown tongue, that is a personal communication that nobody else in the meeting has any buisiness interfering with or demanding to know what the interpretation is. Its personal. It is nobodies buisiness.

It is ONLY when someone clearly presents a prophetic message to the entire fellowship as a whole that it needs to be interpreted.

I dont know why you are struggling so with this.

Mike

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

It is not I who is struggling with this.

Did not Paul say when one speaks there must be an interpreter present? And did he not say if there was no interpreter present that one is to keep silent?

I do not see where Paul said 'interpreters are not necessary unless it is a prophetic message given'. That is your addition to the Word of God.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

It seems to me you are confusing prophesying with speaking with tongues. They are not the same. There is not one verse that says some tongues given are prophecy.

1 Corinthians 14:4 (KJV) He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

Prophesying is nothing more than preaching the infallible Word of God. That is all.

Speaking in an unknown tongue is not speaking to man, but to God.

 

[D28guy]

His Blood,

"I do not see where Paul said 'interpreters are not necessary unless it is a prophetic message given'. That is your addition to the Word of God."

No its not.

The word of God...

"I will pray in the Spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing in the Spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding"

God here is clearly...CLEARLY...advocating BOTH.

The word of God...

"Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts. But epsecially that you prophesy. For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him. However, in the Spirit he speaks mysteries."

God (though Paul) is not in any way speaking negatively of this. He is simply stating "the way it is" with that gift.

God then says...

"But he who prophesies speaks edifiaction and comfort to men."

And he goes on to say that it is for that reason that it is the preferrable gift. But he never says that the other gifted one is in the wrong. Its just a different gift.

He then goes on to say that if a message is given to the church in tongues that is should be interpreted. But that has nothing to do with the personal prayer language.

BOTH ARE ADVOCATED and ACCEPTABLE.

We know because God goes on to say, through Paul, a few verses later...

"In conclusion, I will pray in the Spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing in the Spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding"

I dont know how God could be any clearer.

Mike

 

[Amy.G]

Sorry to interrupt. You have misquoted scripture.

D28guy

No its not.

The word of God...

"I will pray in the Spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing in the Spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding"

God here is clearly...CLEARLY...advocating BOTH.

I will pray with(not in) the spirit (little s, meaning Paul's spirit, not God's), and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with(not in) the spirit (little s), and I will also sing with the understanding.

 

[D28guy]

"Prophesying is nothing more than preaching the infallible Word of God. That is all."

Sometimes thats the case.

But obviously that isnt always the case. If it were, then why would God speak of the need for a spiritual "interpretation" of the message for those present?

:thumbs:

Mike

 

[D28guy]

His Blood,

"Sorry to interrupt. You have misquoted scripture."

Its late, I'm tired, and i didnt feel like opening up the scriptures again. I typed out that verse as best I could from memory. Your changing a big S to a little one, or changing "in" to "with" doesnt amount to a hill of beans as they say.

It doesnt affect that sense, the interpretation, or my point at all.

Its now time for me to stop....:type: and to start........:sleeping_2:

Enjoyed our discussion very much, and maybe we can hook up later. :thumbs:

Good night!

Mike

 

[Darron Steele]

D28: "Spirit" and "spirit" translate the same Greek word, and the New Testament's Greek-writing authors did not capitalize to distinguish between the two.

Often times, professional translators, the top experts in biblical languages, do not know which case to put down when they see that word.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Sometimes thats the case.

But obviously that isnt always the case. If it were, then why would God speak of the need for a spiritual "interpretation" of the message for those present?

:thumbs:

Mike

You apparently are not reading your Bible correctly or you have the wrong Bible altogether.

Prophesying does not need interpretation:

1 Corinthians 14:27 (KJV) If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course; and let one interpret. {two...: by two or three sentences separately}
1 Corinthians 14:28 (KJV) But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
1 Corinthians 14:29 (KJV) Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
1 Corinthians 14:30 (KJV) If [any thing] be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
1 Corinthians 14:31 (KJV) For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

Paul did not say Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the others interpret.

Nowhere in Paul's discourse does he even come close to saying that the unknown tongue is for prophesying.

And where does the scripture say it is ok to speak tongues aloud without an interpreter as long as you are not giving a message to the church? I cannot find it anywhere in the whole fourteenth chapter of first Corinthians.

 

[Jack Matthews]

Of course, I see little being done here about those indications that tongues, with interpretation, is a valid gift, there is no scripture stating that it would cease when the canon was complete, and no one wants to deal with that nice little phrase that reads

and do not forbid speaking in tongues."

Some Baptists seem to forget that.

 

[tragic_pizza]

All of this brings to mnd a video I found on someone's blog.

Please note: don't click through the video to get to YouTube, because the comments on the video are offensive and contain foul language.

http://uncletweety.livejournal.com/

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Jack,

I would allow anyone to speak tongues in my church as long as they had an interpreter with them and it was not that babbling that is heard in most Pentecostal and Charismatic churches.

 

[Amy.G]

All of this brings to mnd a video I found on someone's blog.

Please note: don't click through the video to get to YouTube, because the comments on the video are offensive and contain foul language.

http://uncletweety.livejournal.com/

Now that was SCARY!

 

[annsni]

In that video - who looks like they were the center of attention? Who was the one who got the glory?? Sad AND scary!!

 

[Amy.G]

In that video - who looks like they were the center of attention? Who was the one who got the glory?? Sad AND scary!!

You're right Ann, it is sad. How can people who claim to know God be so deceived? I wouldn't let Benny Hinn touch me with a 10 foot pole.

 

[tragic_pizza]

You're right Ann, it is sad. How can people who claim to know God be so deceived? I wouldn't let Benny Hinn touch me with a 10 foot pole.

From the looks of it, he doesn't have to... :laugh:

 

[annsni]

I posted this before, I think, but our pastor went to something like that - and the guy tried to knock him down just like in the video. Pastor prayed against Satan and prayed that, if it's not of God, that God would hold him up. When the guy started PUSHING at our pastor, my pastor pushed back - and the guy gave up. But then he couldn't get anyone else down after that!! I really think that says something about that particular situation atleast.

 

[AAA]

All,

I would like start this post by saying that in no way am I trying to start an argument. I am new to this forum and found it when searching the web for answers. I have some questions and am hoping someone can help. First I'll start with what happened recently.
I recently questioned whether the gifts of the Holy Spirit still existed (tongues, healing, etc). I have been in Baptist churches all of my life, so you all know how I was taught. I have spent much time studying and in prayer asking for guidance on this issue.
Recently I was invited to and attended a Pentecostal revival. This was not my first time at a Pentecostal service as I once dated a girl that took me to her church several times. Anyway, I knew what to expect. I decided that during group prayer, that I would use that time to pray for guidance and direction.
During prayer time, the evangelist and multiple members of the church layed hands on myself and my wife and prayed heavily. Several of them ended up in tongues before it was overwith. This lasted for a while. During this time I prayed for God to give me guidance. I asked if tongues and gifts were still in effect and if what I was seeing and hearing was right.
Long story short, my right arm started shaking uncontrollably. I'm not talking about a seizure, but shaking and tingling. I clenched my first and tried to stop it. The evangelist must have noticed this because he started praying harder - he was was also on my right side. He then asked me to profess that Jesus is Lord and to praise the lord, which I did. I later learned in my own studies that these denominations often ask the people "baptized in the Holy Spirit" to profess Jesus in order to "test the spirits". After I professed Jesus is lord, he leaned down and told me in my ear: "What you are feeling now is the Holy Spirit, brother". The sensation on my right side slowly went away over the course of 20 minutes or so.
I consider myself to be a down to earth guy and I don't believe that I would succumb to "emotionalism". I have never had anything like this happen to me before. I have talked with others that have experienced this and they tell me that it's the Holy Spirit and that I shouldn't deny it. However, this experience has really raised a lot of questions for me.
What happened? Was this an evil spirit trying to represent itself as the holy spirit? Was this just me physically responding to something subconscious? Was this a light experience of the baptist of the Holy Spirit?
I'm very confused and I would love to hear thoughts on this. I'm sorry for the long post and thank you everyone, in advance.

RC

Was this at a Oneness Pencostal denomination or trinitarian pentecostal like faith church?

 

[Amy.G]

From the looks of it, he doesn't have to... :laugh:

Better make that a 20 foot pole! Even that may not be long enough! Now I'm really scared. I'm laughing, but it really does give me the creeps.

 

[Rando76]

YouTube is blocked where I work - I haven't got to see this yet. Sounds interesting.

The context of the whole passage is the concept of love. Paul is speaking of perfect love, agape, in Christ. It's a reference to Christ's return.

That's the way I've perceived it as well, but I wasn't sure if there was anything else that talked about the end of gifts.