Natural man

The "natural man" is the sin nature we were born with. The greek word translated to natural man actually means an animal or primitive man. This describes all men prior to salvation.

 

Psalm109, are you edging toward dualism? (spirit good, flesh bad) Careful.

 

You are correct, J.D., this sounds like dualism.

A human being is complete; body and spirit. That is why the human body of Jesus was resurrected. That is why we will have resurrected bodies in heaven.

peace to youraise:

 

Our current bodies that die will be resurrected and renewed, fit for Heaven.

 

Romans, chapter 8
"21": Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. (please notice the word ALSO for it means the body shall be delivered as the soul was. It is one reason I believe you are not in today and out tomorrow for if that which is born of God cannot sin, then how could it fall.)

"22": For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

"23": And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

"24": For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

"25": But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

1 John, chapter 3

"9": Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 Corinthians, chapter 15

"40": There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

2 Corinthians, chapter 12

"9": And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

The inwardly man has already been born again and cannot sin and cannot die.
The outwardly man is still a fleshly man that can sin but is not just turned loose to do the old things but is kept by the Grace of God and will receive its change in the resurrection.
Both men have eternal life and are one but the soul has already put on Christ and the flesh must wait until the Lord comes back again and then will this corruptile put on incorruptle and this mortal put on immortality and then will come to pass the saying "oh death where is thy sting and oh grave where is thy victory."

It is not dualism but with God there is no time.

 

One thing to remember it is the same "it" that shall be changed. "it shall be sown a corruptle and raised incorruptle, "it" shall be sown in dishonor but raised in Glory, "it" shall be sown in weakness but raised in power.
Also, Job said; tho the skins worms devour this body of mine yet in my flesh shall I see God.
Also, ever bone shall come to its bone.
Also this mortal must put on immortality, this corruptle put on incorruptions.
It will be the same "it" but changed to a Heavenly body.
If it was not the same "it" then it would not be a resurrection but it would be a creation. peace

 

Your definition would not be a resurrection but a creation.
Resurrection is for the same lump of clay to get up but changed to a Spiritual body.

Really the Scriptures plainly tell us it is the same body but changed.

Romans, chapter 8

"23": And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

1 Corinthians, chapter 15
"40": There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

"41": There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

"42": So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

"43": It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

"44": It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

"45": And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

"46": Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

"47": The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

"48": As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

"49": And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

I have no problem with someone saying it is a "new" body but it is the same one made over new.

Destroyed is to return to the dust from which it came.

If God can create man then He surely can take the same dust and make it over new.

There will not be another creation, period!!!! peace

Did Jesus's body get up or another one?

 

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Not only the saved will have their old bodies changed, but the lost also,
note where the bodies come from out of the grave where the were put.

 

Children of God are not going to the fire. I don't know what you mean here?

The nature part destroyed but same lump of clay changed from a natural to a Spiritual

 

Your last statement that it is not our same body that will be raised but a different one is directly against God's word. Go back and read some of the scripture that was posted here.

The resurrection of Jesus was a model of what will happen to us, and he was raised in the same body. Our bodies will be transformed, because the mortal body we have now cannot inherit immortality, so God will transform our bodies into immortal ones. They will be changed bodies, but they will be from the same bodies.

A new body in the sense of it being a different body would not be a resurrected or transformed body, as scripture teaches.

 

If it were going against Scripture I would not say it. I want you to look at the "it" and that is our body.


1 Corinthians, chapter 15

"42": So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

"43": It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

"44": It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
The greatest thing to remember to be a "resurrection" it has to be your body but changed from a terrestrial body to a celestial body.

Romans, chapter 8

"11": But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Please read again for I think you want to know the truth. There are many Scriptures such as Job saying "yet in my flesh shall I see God" or "hide me away in my grave and appoint me a time and remember me.

When Jesus arose from the Grave there were others that arose also.

KJMatt.27
51": And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

"52": And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

"53": And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

The most important thing is that it would not be a resurrection if we received a different body. It is the same body changed from a natural to a Spiritual, one without death or tears and one prepared to go to Heaven.

Also you said you believed as a kid you would have wings well maybe not wings but you will take a Heavenly flight to meet the Lord in the air.

Matthew, chapter 24

"20": But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

 

You fail to recognize the Power of God. We will perish, these bodies will return to dust and that is why the Scriptures says that a man will say: How are the dead raised and with what body do they come? Paul wrote and said "thou fool, how can that be quicken (made alive) except it first die". Even though after time you go there and you will find no body for it will have returned to dust, or maybe it was buried in the sea, or maybe the earth moving equipment had turned over our graves and our dust is blowing in the wind. God is all powerful and He will send His angels to the four corners of the earth and to the four winds to gather in His children. All your dust will come together again in the resurrection regardless where it is. Even if you have yourself cremetated you still will come together and as Jesus Himself said:

John, chapter 5
"28": Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

"29": And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation
What? Is in the graves?

Just think about it for a while. It is no great thing for God to take the same dust and make it over new. Also, it is those in the graves that shall come forth and that is our bodies.

I find no fault by you saying it will be a new body as long as you say it will be the same it that is in the grave but made over new. To say otherwise then you would not believe in a "resurrection".