Nazarene & Baptists

[JonC]

No intro, just a question .

What are the differences between Nazarene and Free-Will Baptist doctrine?

 

[padredurand]

Here is the Nazarene Statement of Faith

Agreed Statement of Belief
These are the beliefs Nazarenes hold to be true:

We believe in one God—the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

We believe that the Old and New Testament Scriptures, given by plenary inspiration, contain all truth necessary to faith and Christian living.

We believe that man is born with a fallen nature, and is, therefore, inclined to evil, and that continually.

We believe that the finally impenitent are hopelessly and eternally lost.

We believe that the atonement through Jesus Christ is for the whole human race; and that whosoever repents and believes on the Lord Jesus Christ is justified and regenerated and saved from the dominion of sin.

We believe that believers are to be sanctified wholly, subsequent to regeneration, through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

We believe that the Holy Spirit bears witness to the new birth, and also to the entire sanctification of believers.

We believe that our Lord will return, the dead will be raised, and the final judgment will take place.

I draw your attention to the bolded and underlined sections. The main emphasis of Nazarene doctrine surrounds the teaching of entire sanctification. In general, it is taught that a person a "second act of Grace" where by become instantly and entirely sanctified. No progressive sanctification here! From the Article of Faith"

10. We believe that sanctification is the work of God which transforms believers into the likeness of Christ. It is wrought by God’s grace through the Holy Spirit in initial sanctification, or regeneration (simultaneous with justification), entire sanctification, and the continued perfecting work of the Holy Spirit culminating in glorification. In glorification we are fully conformed to the image of the Son.

We believe that entire sanctification is that act of God, subsequent to regeneration, by which believers are made free from original sin, or depravity, and brought into a state of entire devotement to God, and the holy obedience of love made perfect.

It is wrought by the baptism with or infilling of the Holy Spirit, and comprehends in one experience the cleansing of the heart from sin and the abiding, indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, empowering the believer for life and service. Entire sanctification is provided by the blood of Jesus, is wrought instantaneously by grace through faith, preceded by entire consecration; and to this work and state of grace the Holy Spirit bears witness.

This experience is also known by various terms representing its different phases, such as “Christian perfection,” “perfect love,” “heart purity,” “the baptism with or infilling of the Holy Spirit,” “the fullness of the blessing,” and “Christian holiness.”

There are numerous other differences such as: the mode of baptism, inclusion of children in baptism, eternal security, government. I spent 13 years with the Untied Methodist and one year as an intentional interim with the CotN. I also spent tens of thousands of dollars learning the differences between Wesleyan Arminianism and the brand found in a Free Will Baptist church.

 

[JonC]

Here is the Nazarene Statement of Faith



I draw your attention to the bolded and underlined sections. The main emphasis of Nazarene doctrine surrounds the teaching of entire sanctification. In general, it is taught that a person a "second act of Grace" where by become instantly and entirely sanctified. No progressive sanctification here! From the Article of Faith"



There are numerous other differences such as: the mode of baptism, inclusion of children in baptism, eternal security, government. I spent 13 years with the Untied Methodist and one year as an intentional interim with the CotN. I also spent tens of thousands of dollars learning the differences between Wesleyan Arminianism and the brand found in a Free Will Baptist church.

Thanks for the info.

Sent from my TARDIS

 

[Internet Theologian]

Thanks for the info.

Sent from my TARDIS

Aren't you a Baptarene? Or is it Naztist?

 

[JonC]

Aren't you a Baptarene? Or is it Naztist?

No. I'm Dort-ish with a twist. Think Calvinistic before it bloomed, minus some baggage the Reformers forgot to leave behind, and then toss in a bit more biblical perspective that had been overlooked.....you know....Dort-ish .

But I do like tangerines, if that counts. Thumbsup

 

[Internet Theologian]

No. I'm Dort-ish with a twist. Think Calvinistic before it bloomed, minus some baggage the Reformers forgot to leave behind, and then toss in a bit more biblical perspective that had been overlooked.....you know....Dort-ish .

But I do like tangerines, if that counts. Thumbsup

Dortish? No. Sounds more like Deformed Baptist mixed with some delusional thinking.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Aren't you a Baptarene? Or is it Naztist?

Or dare say I.....

 

[JonC]

Dortish? No. Sounds more like Deformed Baptist mixed with some delusional thinking.

Nah...I left that bunch decades ago. Was a member of your denomination for a brief time, but moved closer to biblical theology by God's grace. I simply kept growing in Christ (we call it sanctification and discipleship).

How bout you.....You still attend the First Assembly of Gnostic Stoicism?

 

[JonC]

Or dare say I.....

Obviously you do dare to say. I wouldn't have as that has the potential to be severely misunderstood (but the thought crossed my mind as well....I just let it continue on and slip out the other ear ).

 

[SovereignGrace]

Obviously you do dare to say. I wouldn't have as that has the potential to be severely misunderstood (but the thought crossed my mind as well....I just let it continue on and slip out the other ear ).

I pray you realize that was meant to be a joke. I honestly meant no harm. I'm sorry if that offended you and hurt your feelings.

 

[JonC]

I pray you realize that was meant to be a joke. I honestly meant no harm. I'm sorry if that offended you and hurt your feelings.

Don't be silly, brother. I'm not offended at all (like I said, reading IT's statement that same idea crossed my mind). I was playing off your "dare I say" comment because, quite frankly, there are a few responses I've reeled back because I realized it could be taken wrong. I'd never, for example, abbreviate "First Assembly of Gnostic Stoicism" in jest simply because I'd fear someone would take offense.

But you need not apologize at all, and I was not offended.

 

[Jerome]

What are the differences between Nazarene and Free-Will Baptist doctrine?

Baptism and Holiness.

See this dissertation that examines Canada's Methodists and Nazarenes, Free Baptists and Reformed Baptists (as well as the Salvation Army). "Each of these five groups was adamant that God’s offer of salvation was extended to all of humanity.":

pdf see Chap. 2 Theology p. 44 ff.

Baptism:

"Methodists and their progeny, Pentecostal Nazarenes. . .made no issue over mode of baptism, accepting sprinkling, pouring and immersing as suitable methods. They also considered baptism as appropriate for individuals of all ages"

"Free Christian Baptists and Reformed Baptists, on the other hand, believed that baptism solely symbolised one’s own faith. As a result, they baptised only those able to profess personal conversion. Furthermore, they insisted that baptism by immersion was the only acceptable method"

Holiness:

"Reformed Baptists and Pentecostal Nazarenes embraced radical views concerning entire sanctification, ideas which a large number of Methodists and Free Christian Baptists did not accept."

"as the nineteenth century came to a close, a distinct theological chasm had emerged. This doctrinal gulf separated the bulk of Methodists and Free Christian Baptists on one side, from Reformed Baptists and those Methodists who had pledged their allegiance to the holiness movement."

 

[Jeremy Seth]

Interesting statistic, Nazarene and Southern Baptists are very near to each other in party affiliation http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...6-02-22_religionpoliticalaffiliation_640px-2/

 

[Internet Theologian]

Interesting statistic, Nazarene and Southern Baptists are very near to each other in party affiliation http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...6-02-22_religionpoliticalaffiliation_640px-2/

I'm surprised that PCUSA is 44% Republican.

 

[rsr]

Geography. Mostly Southerners, I would imagine.