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Discussion in 'Fundamental Baptist Forum' started by humblethinker, Apr 18, 2013.

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  1. humblethinker

    humblethinker Active Member

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    I found this interesting regarding Northland (an Independent Fundamentalist Baptist college)
    http://matthewrolson.com/pursuing-transparency-with-change/

    Parts that particularly resonate with me:
    Some may ask, “Are you fundamentalists?” If you are talking about believing the fundamentals of the faith, being willing to separate over them, and being committed to living a holy life before God—then the answer is a resolute, “Yes.” If you are talking about our being willing to separate over “cultural fundamentalism” and its demands to separate over Bible translations, music, dress, methods of ministry, secondary associations, etc., the answer is an equally resolute, “No.” We cannot. Our consciences before God will not allow us to draw artificial lines of separation where God Himself has not drawn them.​

    And this:
    2.Northland went from the exclusive use of the King James Version in the pulpit and classrooms to allowing other translations.​

    What is the consensus among fundamentalists regarding these changes? Is this type of change becoming more common among fundamentalist institutions?
    Do fundamentalists see this as the logical progression of the movement? If they are no longer 'cultural fundamentalists' then should they even be considered 'fundamentalists'? Seems to be diluting the solution, no?
     
    #1 humblethinker, Apr 18, 2013
  2. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
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    Sounds like true fundamentalism to me. I never understood how whack jobs and legalists usurped the term fundamentalism. Christians are Christians from the inside out, i.e. the content of their Christ centered character, not their outside appearance.
     
    #2 Van, Apr 19, 2013
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    #3 Salty, Apr 19, 2013
  4. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
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    Pretty much all Baptists believe those 5 doctrines.

    How about these:

    The Rick Warren Apostasy

    The KJV only doctrine
     
    #4 Van, Apr 19, 2013
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    what is the Apostasy?
     
    #5 Yeshua1, Apr 19, 2013
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    Van Well-Known Member
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    Google it. :)
     
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  7. Salty

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    You made the statement - you should back up what you say.
     
    #7 Salty, Apr 19, 2013
  8. humblethinker

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    Then most evangelicals ARE fundamentalists in the old, original sense. Some time ago Fundamentalism 'won'... So, it seems to me that to declare and advertise that MY church is 'Fundamental' is no longer as much of a statement on the five fundament as it is a statement on all the OTHER junk in the trunk. Current day fundamentalists seem to be Don Quixotes tilting at windmills of their own imagination.
     
    #8 humblethinker, Apr 20, 2013
  9. abcgrad94

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    Exactly right.
     
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  10. Yeshua1

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    think that you would also have to include 2 other factors of american Funamentalism!

    One was that it took'biblcal" seperation to such an extant, that essential, the ONLY churches/groups that were viewed as being reall Chrsitians were the small group that espoused exactly as they did! mainly in the srea of how to live socially, as they tended to look down upon being 'worldly minded' so things like say internet/social media was evil or corrupt, no use in ministry!

    also, tended to be anti educational, as was not abreast of following say latest theories on textual criticism, modern views on biblcal inspiration, critical towards all thoughts save for the 'old time religion"

    tended to get the 'us no more" and try to preserve what they had and held to, not to engage and try to change/influence the evil outside World!

    thankfully. jerry Falwell tried to get them to address and get involved in the 'real world affairs!"
     
    #10 Yeshua1, Apr 20, 2013
  11. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
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    Pitchback

    If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.

    Rather than find fault with me, why not address the two doctrines? You apparently googled then copy and pasted your post on the five doctrines. Use the same approach and search for so-called fundamentalists pushing these two.
     
    #11 Van, Apr 20, 2013
  12. Salty

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    Am I supposed to go fishing for something????
     
    #12 Salty, Apr 20, 2013
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    OK, if I have to spell it out in detail, take your boat, (row boat), go to Chittenango Falls State Park and go to Oneida Lake. Cast your nets to the left, wait 7 minutes. When you pull up your nets, you will notice a thick book. This is the missing original Inspired documents of the whole Scripture. You will notice it is glowing a bright white. Be sure and check the signature at the end of the Book. King James signature should be there with a seal, as he checked the accuracy of it before allowing his name to be used.
     
    #13 saturneptune, Apr 21, 2013
  14. Salty

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    Been there done that - Joseph Smith and Brigham Young said it was a forgery
     
    #14 Salty, Apr 21, 2013
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    This thread has been derailed. A new direction is away from KJV onlyism, and separation based on legalism. There is nothing wrong with adorning the gospel in fresh ways to appeal to the lost. The old all things to all men so that some might be saved mentality. That is fundamentalism at its best.
     
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  16. Salty

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    Van is correct
    bottom answer - a person can preach, teach, and read out of non KJV's and still be a fundamentalist
     
    #16 Salty, Apr 21, 2013
  17. humblethinker

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    Van, I agree. But, I think the term "Fundamentalism" with the definition that you have given is impossible to redeem now for various reasons. To do so is to kick against the pricks. It is a distracting, confusing title now (unless one is the kind of fundamentalist that 'everyone' envisions when they imagine a Christian fundamentalist.). Mental and emotional midgets now sport the name and great efforts must be undertaken to distance oneself from them. IMO, it's past time to ditch the name.
     
    #17 humblethinker, Apr 21, 2013
  18. Alive in Christ

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    I will say this...

    Most of the ''fundamentalist'' churches, preachers, and tv/radio broadcasts around here are more of a DETRENEMENT to the cause of Christ rather then a BLESSING.

    You just cant draw people to Christ..legitemently.. with a hatefull message.
     
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  19. Mexdeaf

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    And that is nothing new- it has been true since before anyone ever thought of "KJVO".

    Dr. John Rice preached from the RSV on occasion- or at least he cited it.

    KJVO really has nothing to do with authentic fundamentalism.
     
    #19 Mexdeaf, Apr 24, 2013
  20. TCassidy

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    One of the sure signs that many on the Baptist Board are ignorant of history and theology is the idea that Northland represents a new direction in fundamentalism. Northland represents historic fundamentalism. Northland is what fundamentalism always was until the Xers came along an misappropriated the name "fundamentalist."
     
    #20 TCassidy, Apr 24, 2013
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